Fires - Are You Properly Covered?

Fires - Are You Properly Covered? – With the recent fires in California, many homeowners across the country are wondering if they are properly covered. Chris Boyd welcomes Special Guest Doug MacDonald, CPCU to the episode. Joining them is Jeff...
Fires - Are You Properly Covered? – With the recent fires in California, many
homeowners across the country are wondering if they are properly covered. Chris Boyd
welcomes Special Guest Doug MacDonald, CPCU to the episode. Joining them is Jeff
Perry. The conversation begins with an outline of what homeowners’ insurance covers
and what it does not. Specific topics reviewed include coverage limits, earthquakes, and
flood risks. Doug offers advice concerning the value of a guaranteed replacement
endorsement. For more information about Doug MacDonald, check out the link below:
https://riskadvice.com/
For more information or to reach Chris Boyd, Russ Ball or Jeff Perry, click the following
link: https://www.wealthenhancement.com/s/advisor-teams/amr
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Welcome to something more with Chris Boyd.
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Chris Boyd is a certified financial planner, practitioner,
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and senior vice president, financial advisor at Wealth
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Enhancement Group, one of the nation's largest registered
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investment advisors.
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We call it something more because we'd like
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to talk not only about those important dollar
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and cents issues, but also the quality of
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life issues that make the money matters matter.
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Here he is your fulfillment facilitator, your partner
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in prosperity, advising clients on Cape Cod and
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across the country.
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Here's your host, Jay Christopher Boyd.
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Welcome to something more with Chris Boyd.
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I'm Chris Boyd here with Jeff Perry.
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We are both of the AMR team at
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Wealth Enhancement Group and glad to have you
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with us listening for another segment of something
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more, um, today we're talking about early retirement.
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You know, Jeff, every once in a while,
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I get these, um, Notifications of topics and
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articles that, um, reporters might be looking for
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comment from, um, an advisor to weigh in
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on, and, um, this one caught my eye.
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I don't know if we'll get, um, quoted
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or not, but I thought it was an
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interesting, uh, thought exercise that we might want
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to share with our listeners about some of
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the challenges.
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If you are going to think about retiring
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early, I know you, uh, probably as much
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as I do hear from people who say,
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yeah, one of my big goals is I
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want to be done.
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I want to retire, um, early and, you
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know, there may, some people are focused on
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it and really dedicated to that.
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Right.
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And some people just have this sort of
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vague, yeah, I'm tired of working and I
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want to be done.
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You know, so, uh, it's a real high
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percentage of people who have that thought process,
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you know, like what if I, what do
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I need to do?
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Right.
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How can, could I pull it off?
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And they kind of go through the checklist
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in their head and, you know, it's the
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checklist might not include all the things they
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should, but I think a lot of people
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think about it, right?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Um, now just as an aside, I mean,
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I, I have one client, excuse me.
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He's become one of our biggest clients.
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Uh, he came in, uh, I don't know
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if he was even in his forties, uh,
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when he started and said, you know, I
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want to be able to retire young, you
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know, in my fifties and, um, he's been
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just dedicated, vigilant.
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Um, he has a good paying job and
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is able to save regularly, but puts a
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lot of money toward that goal.
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And is, is at a point where he
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could, if he wants to, he just happens
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to like his work at this point in
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time and isn't, isn't desirous, but yeah, he's
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ready.
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You know, uh, I guess that's the, the,
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the financial freedom, right?
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That notion of having the resources that work
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becomes optional.
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That's what we're trying to think about here.
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I always think about this in the context
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of the older radio show host.
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He's not on the radio anymore, but Bob
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Brinker.
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Yes.
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Um, and he had the term critical mass.
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So it's when you reach that point that
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you have critical mass of assets, I guess,
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or income or not debt, you know, the
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picture you've reached that point where you can
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retire doesn't mean you're retiring.
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It doesn't mean you're not working.
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You could be retiring from your full-time
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high stress, fast pace life to a still
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working, but not that right.
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Something that's less than that.
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That's more conducive to some travel or some
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leisure, but not, not going from a hundred
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miles an hour to zero.
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So the definition of, I want to retire
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early is not a single thing.
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It could mean I just don't want to
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do this anymore.
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I'd like to do something else, but something
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that is more flexible and maybe more positive
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depending on one's given occupation.
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Right.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Well, I think one of the challenges that
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this really presents, there's a number of things
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that do come up as reasonable challenges to
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consider, but the first one that comes to
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my mind is that, you know, you really
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must be saving with abundance because if you
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do retire early and start drawing from your
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investments, you know, I mean, the, the thing
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about it is you, we, people tend to
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be living longer, so we need to be
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planning for the prospects of long life, longevity.
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Right.
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So if I retire, just say, for example,
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in my fifties, 55 instead of, or, you
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know, 50, you know, as an example, I
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want to, I want to retire well in
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advance of the traditional, you know, ages people
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retire, you know, that not only does that
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add 10 years, let's say, or 15 years
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of withdrawals.
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That could be a 40 year run rate,
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right?
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Yeah, we might have.
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So in that case, you could have it
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easily, right?
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40, even more, right?
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Let's say it was 50 and you said
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for age 50 and you said, okay, I
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normally plan to retire at 65 or somewhere
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thereabouts.
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I think it's later from a lot of
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people, but so that's 15 or 20 years
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of additional withdrawals.
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Yep.
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But it's also now 15 or 20 years
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where I'm not getting the compounding impact that
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I would have from all the savings I'd
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be doing in that time, right.
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I'm adding to the account instead of subtracting
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and the money that's already there would be
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compounding for me.
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So it'd be growing, whereas now I'm probably
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drawing from it to some extent.
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So it's a big difference.
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So just that notion of the lack of
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compounding earlier withdrawal and the lack of addition
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over that period of time is impactful.
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So if that's something you think, I really
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want this, you really have to be extremely
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aggressive about your savings.
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We talk in generalities of, oh, what's a
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good amount to set aside?
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People have this question often, and it's a
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really kind of an arbitrary thing.
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What percentage should I set aside for savings
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and investment?
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And I think oftentimes we kind of answer
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that in different ways.
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Well, there's your emergency money, that's one thing.
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Well, there's like vacations and new set of
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tires and delayed spending intentions.
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That's another thing.
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But if we're really talking about savings and
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investment to accumulate resources, we try to encourage
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people to, if they can, from the very
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beginning, save 10%, they're going to be well
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ready for any kind of financial challenges they
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may face over their lifetime or opportunities like
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this that they might say, oh, I have
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the opportunity for financial freedom earlier.
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I want to add a couple more things.
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If you're thinking about retiring early, you mentioned
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the big ones, but a couple other maybe
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secondary things that people don't consider if you're
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retiring early is you said you're not contributing
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to your retirement plan.
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It's certainly true, but you're also not contributing
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to Social Security.
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So if you're relying on, or if you're
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thinking about future Social Security benefits and you
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stop working, although you're probably vested certainly by
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age 50, you're going to have 15 years
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or 17 years of zeros on your highest
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35.
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35 years.
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How many of those are going to be
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without number?
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So that's a missed opportunity.
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And they all also, I know it's implied
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in your comments, but I just want to
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highlight it because some people who do their
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own kind of spreadsheets and don't kind of
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DIY this, you have that 15 more years
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in this example of 50 to 65 of
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inflation.
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And we certainly add in inflation for the,
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you know, the work that we do, the
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modeling that we do, but I see that
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as one of the mistakes of people who
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are doing DIY and they're saying, all right,
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how much money do I need?
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All right.
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I need $50,000 of income a year.
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And they kind of think that number is
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going to be stagnant, right?
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Because maybe they have their mortgage paid off.
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But as we've seen in the last few
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years, the impact of inflation, sometimes in a
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short period of time, but certainly over 40
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years, you really have to account for that
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and not lowball that estimate of what future
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expenses are going to be.
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Remember an advisor who, I used to do
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these seminars when I first started out.
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And when I did, there was an advisor
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who had a video series to kind of
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show you what are you talking about?
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And he talked about inflation and tried to
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explain that as much as people maybe do
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have some fixed costs, you know, they also
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have lifelines to the community was the way
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he put it.
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And I think that's a good way to
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think about it.
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What are those lifelines?
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Well, I have real estate taxes.
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I have insurance.
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I'm going to buy a car.
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The car has gasoline, you know, in, in,
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in repairs, et cetera, et cetera.
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Like I buy food.
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I like to go out to dinner once
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in a while too.
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You know, all of these things that we
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take for granted, all are subject to the
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risks of inflation over time.
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And, you know, there's, there's a stereotype, right?
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I mean, you ever been to your homeowner's
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association?
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If you're like me, uh, it's all the
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older retirees complaining about the dues increase because
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they're not working anymore and it's, you know,
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these are examples of inflation.
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Uh, you know, they're on a fixed income,
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you know what they're voting against is maintenance.
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So over 40, think about over 40, 40
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years of life.
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If you own a home, if you had
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a brand new home today and you're retiring
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at 50, everything in that house is being
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replaced over, over that 40 years.
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At some point, there's going to be a
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lot of maintenance repairs that are going to
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be needed.
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So, you know, those are just things that
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will work into your inflation concern.
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Yeah.
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Really good point.
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Uh, and, and, you know, as much as
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we might say, oh, inflation's two and a
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half percent or 3% or whatever it
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is, you know, um, rule of 72s.
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Right.
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If we divide that by three, 24 years,
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that's double everything.
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And, you know, if you're living 40 years,
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you know, you're close to probably going to
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get a double, double.
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Yeah.
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And if you don't, if you don't believe
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that, if you just like, yeah, kind of,
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that's not going to happen.
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Go back 20 or 40 years and say,
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how much was a car?
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How much, you know, you pick, pick your
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item that you want to compare it to
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a basket of items and you'll see bread
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and milk and, uh, eggs these days.
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Right.
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Uh, you know, tax, all of them just
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say, oh, it's changed.
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Uh, in a chain, it will continue to
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change.
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That's just the, the reality.
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It was hard.
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So inflation is one of those things you
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have to, uh, be more mindful of.
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I think another one we should include in
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there is, um, you know, you've got to
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think about healthcare, health insurance, um, as one
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of those practical things, if you're retiring, you
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know, in your fifties and Medicare starts at
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65.
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Um, let's face it.
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Health insurance costs are exorbitant today.
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So, you know, is that something you've planned
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for, uh, if you're not employed, you're not
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getting any subsidy from the employer to help
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defray those costs and usually an employer picks
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up some of that cost if you're working
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through their plan, I mean, sometimes a lot
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of it, even if it's 50%, it's a,
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it's big money over a year and decades.
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So, you know, that could add, um, yeah,
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I mean, 20 years of, uh, 10, 10
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years of, uh, those costs rather, you know,
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you could be looking at, I don't know,
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150, 300, you know, more because of inflation,
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right.
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The healthcare inflation is higher.
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Right.
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So, uh, you know, another chunk of money
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that you got to have, uh, set aside
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with that in mind for, and that's assuming
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you don't have any health problems, that's just
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for premiums, right.
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Not deductibles and all that.
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Uncovered dental and other vision and whatever it
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is, things that are not covered as you
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get older, you run into more of these
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non-covered optional things.
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Like teeth, for example, we want to keep
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them, but you know, generally if you don't
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have an employer plan, you, you don't have
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dental insurance and you can buy it, but
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it costs money.
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I keep hearing this from, from people who
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are in retirement about, um, the cost of
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implants and, you know, some of the dental
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expense, just rough.
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It's a common conversation.
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In fact, we had people over last night
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and, uh, one of the, one of the
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ladies in the couple was sharing how much
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money she has spent in the last two
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months as her, you know, need for dental
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insurance has come up and she doesn't have
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any coverage, so, you know, it's, it's not
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inexpensive.
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So just even if you do some, some
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things aren't covered enough, right?
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That's right.
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50% maybe, but yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, um, so, okay.
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Some that's on some of the expenses side
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of things.
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And there's probably others too.
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I don't know.
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Does any, before we move on from expenses,
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anything else that you wanted to think in
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terms of that I didn't think of?
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No, I would just say, I would just
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add when you're projecting out long-term spending
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thing, you know, in addition to the cars
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and the vacations and the home maintenance that
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we mentioned, you have to really consider is
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in the next 30 years, am I likely
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to need to, or want to help a
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family member?
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Cause this is something that sneaks into our
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financial planning discussions.
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You know, do you have a daughter who's
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getting married?
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Did you have a, you know, someone you
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want to help buy their first house or
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maybe a grandchild with college or, you know,
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well, if you're at 50, you might be
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talking about your kids in college.
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That's what I mean.
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That's true.
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So consider not just your household expenses.
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And even if you're doing a good job
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with all the things that we're talking about,
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kind of open up that field of vision
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and say, what am I going to do
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with my time if I retire?
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Oh, I'm going to buy a boat.
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Okay.
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Well, let's make sure that that's there.
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Oh, I'm going to travel more or I'd
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like to be more generous family charities, or
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I'd like to do X, Y, or Z
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hobbies or all these things have potential costs.
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So enlarge your vision and say, what is
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my life look like?
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What am I going to do?
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What might I do?
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And what is the cost associated with that
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item?
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Good, good points.
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Um, yeah, I think those are good examples
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of, uh, sometimes underestimated expenses, the, uh, the
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money we spend on family needs right now
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that come up.
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All right.
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Well, the next thing I want to talk
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about as it relates to, uh, this notion
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of if, if you're going to retire early
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things you need to think about, and, um,
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this probably applies to everyone, but it comes
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to my mind, especially for people retiring early,
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and that's the notion of tax diversification.
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You know, if you're retiring, uh, again, at
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50, 55, you don't have access to your
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IRAs, your 401ks, they're usually, no, there's, there's
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some workaround to that, but by design they're
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structured to be available to you at 59
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and a half.
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And thereafter, so you, you know, you, you
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may want to make sure that you do
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have one, uh, other buckets of money, non
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IRA to, you know, joint account individual trust,
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whatever it might be that non-qualified taxable,
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we'll call it kind of money, um, meaning
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it, you know, pays income tax each year
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as opposed to something that's tax deferred, like
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your IRA or your 401k and so forth.
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And then of course, Roth IRA money, you
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know, it's important to have some different buckets
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of money with different tax treatment.
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Um, so the challenge is if you don't
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have sufficient resources in your non IRA money,
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um, we see this throughout retirement anyway, that
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if people draw down on some of their,
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their investments outside of retirement plans, it becomes
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challenging when they have a big expense, like
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a purchase of a car as it's common
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example.
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Yep.
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Uh, if I want to pay for that
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car and I don't have a non IRA
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account to, you know, draw that from a
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taxable account, um, I have to take that
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out of an IRA.
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I have to, you know, I want to
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spend $30,000 on a car, $40,000
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on a car, whatever it is.
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Right.
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Uh, I have to end up spending $50
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,000 to get that money or, you know,
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fill in the blank, whatever the tax.
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And that's if you're after 59 and a
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half generally.
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And that's if you're 59 and a half.
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Now there is actually a workaround for people
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who are, um, pre 59 and a half,
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but, um, are definitely like going to be
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in a position where they need to draw
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from their retirement money in retire, like in
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a retired status, but prior to being eligible
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to access that money.
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Right.
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There's a rule 72 T that, um, it
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relates to the internal revenue code and it
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does allow for some substantially equal periodic payments.
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Now the rules around this are very precise
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and there, you need to know them before
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you undertake this process.
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Uh, so this is why you're better served
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if you can avoid it altogether, you know,
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have other resources available to you to draw
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from.
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And if you're going to be retired early,
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you probably should make sure you do have
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those additional resources.
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But if you find circumstances change and you
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must, you know, be in a new circumstance,
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um, this separate equal, uh, periodic payments is,
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um, uh, approach that can allow you to
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get access to your retirement plan and, um,
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not be penalized the 10% penalty, you'll
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still have income taxes the way you would
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from your retirement account, but not have the
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10% penalty for withdrawals prior to 59
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and a half.
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And it's worth mentioning there are other instances
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where you can access, uh, if there's a
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disability or, you know, certain kinds of circumstances
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that might allow for, um, uh, earlier withdrawal.
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But in this case, uh, the rules are
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somewhat involved in, you know, I wasn't planning
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to spend the whole show on this, but
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just the notion that it is available.
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The challenge becomes if your circumstances change, let's
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say as an example, you start down this
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path of a 72 T 50, you know,
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you're going to withdraw some money, uh, and
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not be penalized by doing it, you know,
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do it in this appropriate fashion.
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Uh, but then you decide, maybe I, I'm
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going to get a part-time job and
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I don't need to draw from this.
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I'm going to stop doing it.
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You violated the rules of the separate equal
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period.
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Violated the periodic component, right?
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So essentially there's different methods of whether how
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it's calculated.
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Uh, one that I think of as a
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common one is, you know, related to that
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R and D kind of, uh, notion.
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You know, you look at a table to
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come up with an amount and that it's
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permissible to withdraw from.
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And, uh, that allows you an amount.
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Now, is that the right amount to meet
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your needs or not?
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You know, this is why you look at
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these, there's a few different ways to calculate
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what the amount of these periodic payments can
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be.
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And, but you are required to do it.
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Let's say you're 55, you have to do
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it, uh, at least until you're 59 and
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a half and not less than for five
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years.
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So in that case, you'd have to do
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it for five years.
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Um, even if you said, oh, circumstances change,
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I don't need this anymore.
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Uh, so it's, it's an oddity and it's
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complex.
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And I would consult an advisor, uh, probably
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both a financial advisor and a tax advisor,
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um, in, in reviewing this to make sure
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you follow through on doing it properly, uh,
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should you feel that this is a necessity
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that you might have to deal with?
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On the opposite of the technical comments that
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you shared.
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I have to say that this, not the
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72 T, but this frequency of people who
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retire it before 50, after 50, after 60
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or 70 with the intention of not working
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and then wanting to go back to work
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or finding something that they want to do
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or being bored is super common.
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So you can think that you're retiring at
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55 and you're done working, but I suspect
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that most people are going to want to
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do something productive.
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Something, you may just be done with what
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you used to do and not want to
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do that anymore, but that doesn't mean you
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may not want to do something for compensation
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along the way.
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I just had a conversation the other night.
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I was at home Depot picking up something,
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uh, at the tool rental thing and the
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general, I had a police shirt on.
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So the gentleman who had long hair and
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a beard, by the way, he said, Oh,
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you're retired.
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I said, yeah, it was me too.
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LAPD.
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And, uh, so he was talking, he goes,
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I retired for like five years and then
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I had to do something.
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I started part-time now I'm working 60
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hours a week, you know, but that's not
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the exception.
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That's kind of what develops into the norm.
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Like people like, you can only play pickleball
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so many days or go to the beach
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so many days or whatever you're retiring for.
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And then you can say, well, I'd like
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a few bucks.
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I need to do something productive.
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I want to meet some new people.
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And a part-time.
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Sometimes it's, yeah, there's a whole range of
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reasons, but sometimes it could be just to
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help you afford some of the things you
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want to do.
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That's right.
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And that's what this retired LAPD officer.
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That was just getting a part-time job
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to get out of the house and have
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some pocket money.
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And then they creeped, you know, like they
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offered him a position to manage the tool
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rental.
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And he likes dealing with all the customers
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and contractors and so he's enjoying it.
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So he's enjoying it.
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And let's, let's turn our, sorry, let's turn
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our attention to a social security part of
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this for a minute or two though, because
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I think that's something we should also talk
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about before we wrap up.
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Um, and the whole notion of working, even
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if you've turned on social security, uh, early,
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it has its own complexities.
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Right.
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Right.
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00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:57,260
Um, so you want to, let me set
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the stage on this.
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Yeah.
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Really related to my comments of people who
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retire, say they retire at 62 and they
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say, my social security money's there.
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I'm going to take it right there.
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It is.
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I know I'd get more later, but I'm
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going to take it.
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And then I want to start now.
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I got, who knows how long I'm going
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to live.
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I'd rather get started.
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And then you fall into that scenario I
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described or something like it, and you decide
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to work.
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And so since you're not a full retirement
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age, which would be 66 or 67, where
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you'd have a higher number, right.
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00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,400
Um, I think it's 20 some odd thousand
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00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,980
dollars is your limited amount that you getting
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to find, but yeah, so if you make
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more than $23,400 in 2025, I'm pretty
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sure that retired LAPD officer working full-time
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managing the tool rental center is making more
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than that.
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So, yeah.
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So you wouldn't want to keep receiving social
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security if you turned it on at 62
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as an example of retiring early, if you're
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going to be working part-time.
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00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,040
So an important consideration, and it is good
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that you can, uh, suspend your payments.
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If it turns out that you have this
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circumstance, you thought you wanted it early and
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then you change your mind, even though you
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filed for it, you could suspend and that
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would still help that new wages would count
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toward your recalculation.
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So if they, you know, add some money
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in and took off the zero somewhere, you
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00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,740
know, for your 35 years that you were
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00:26:32,740 --> 00:26:33,820
talking about earlier.
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00:26:34,340 --> 00:26:37,180
Um, you know, I think, uh, that's worth
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keeping in mind.
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00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,560
Um, but $23,400, if you, if you
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make more than that and you're receiving social
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00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,380
security, uh, you're penalized.
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00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:50,480
Um, it's, it's very unattractive.
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So, um, you don't want to do that.
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00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,840
No, I don't want to do that.
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So think about it and not, we don't
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have time for this segment to add commentary
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on it, but I'll just say it may
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even be financially prudent to wait and draw
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from other assets that you have because of
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the, you know, the ultimate benefit that you
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would get if you retire at a later
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date or maybe even 70 because of the,
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uh, the increases in social security.
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If you have a long lifetime projected and
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all that, we talk about it once in
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a while and we'll go back to it,
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but there's a lot of things to talk
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to your advisor about on these.
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And it depends on like the spouse is,
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00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:30,560
uh, who's the higher earning, if they're spouses,
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00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,400
you know, all that kind of stuff to
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help you think about how to strategize around
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00:27:34,780 --> 00:27:35,080
that.
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00:27:35,540 --> 00:27:36,660
But yeah, it's a good point.
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00:27:36,660 --> 00:27:39,940
If you're trying to retire early, not that
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00:27:39,940 --> 00:27:42,020
we're, we sound kind of negative on this
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stuff.
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00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:44,720
I think, um, we just want to be
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00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,300
careful.
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00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,160
Yeah, I'm not negative about it.
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00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:49,040
I just want people, if they can do
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it and if they want to do it,
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00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,060
just go into it with your eyes wide
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00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:56,300
open and talk to a fiduciary financial advisor
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who has not trying to sell anything, just
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has your best interest at heart and go
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through all these oddities or scenarios or what
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00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:08,060
ifs to make sure that you're fully aware
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of what an early retirement might look for
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you.
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And if we can be a resource to
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you in the process, we're happy to help.
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Uh, we've talked with people with, uh, initially
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with a consultation that's complimentary.
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Uh, we go through a little bit, learn
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about you, we then do some analysis and
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then have a followup meeting where we can
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explain to you our observations and make some
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recommendations and, uh, elaborate on if we were
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to work together over time, uh, how we
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work together.
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So if that could be a resource to
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you, you'd like to take advantage of, don't
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hesitate to reach out to us until next
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time, everybody keeps driving for something.
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