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The following is paid programming.
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Welcome to Something More with Chris Boyd.
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Chris Boyd is a Certified
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Financial Planner
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Practitioner and Senior
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Vice President and
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Financial Advisor at Wealth
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Enhancement Group,
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one of the nation's largest
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registered investment advisors.
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We call it Something More
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because we'd like to talk
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not only about those
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important dollar and cents issues,
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but also the quality of
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life issues that make the
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money matters matter.
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Here he is, your fulfillment facilitator,
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your partner in prosperity,
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advising clients on Cape
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Cod and across the country.
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Here's your host, Jay Christopher Boyd.
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Welcome to another edition
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of Something More with Chris Boyd.
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I'm Jeff Perry.
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I'm sitting in for Chris for this episode.
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Chris is at a convention,
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a financial services,
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financial planning convention this week.
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And so I'm sitting in and
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joining me is Brian Regan.
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Brian is a member of Team AMR.
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He is a senior portfolio
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manager with Wealth
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Enhancement Group and a
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regular guest on our show.
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Thanks for joining us, Brian.
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Hey, guys.
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How are you doing?
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great also joining us is
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russ ball the newest
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addition to team amr russ
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thanks for working the
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control panel and joining
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us for this episode of
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course happy to be here for
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the people who click the
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podcast link they'll see
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the title of this episode
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is mailbag with brian regan
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and what that means is
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brian's going to handle a
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couple of questions that
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have come from clients and
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give us a uh his opinion
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and we'll have a dialogue on the issue
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Brian,
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this first one came from a recent
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client review.
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What that means for the
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listeners who don't know is
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at least annually,
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we sit down with a prolonged meeting,
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a couple hour meeting with
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our clients to go over
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their financial plan that
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they have in place and
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discuss if they have any
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changes to their life or
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anything that they're concerned about.
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We follow up with any things that we see.
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And this particular client,
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is a big fan of yours.
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He watches all of the
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webinars on the markets and the economy.
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He just, you know, he loves that.
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Not everybody loves to dig in that stuff.
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I know you do,
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but he just loves learning more about it.
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And so this issue that I'm
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going to describe
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has come up repetitively in
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his annual reviews and
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conversations with him.
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And he's kind of been,
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I won't say stuck that's,
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but it's the best word I
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can come up with.
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He keeps hesitating on doing
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something that we are
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suggesting that he do.
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And this year it came up
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again and he seemed more, um,
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interested in doing
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something with this part of
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his portfolio.
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and he asked us, he said, would you just,
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would you pass this question by Brian?
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And I said, you know what,
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how about if we pass this
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question by Brian on the
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podcast and let him answer it?
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And he just, he loved the idea.
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So, uh,
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we know he'll be listening to the
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answer and, uh, we'll see how it goes.
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So let me, let me, I know, you know,
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the question because I
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formatted it to you, but, um, let me,
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for our listeners, uh,
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Read what I sent you.
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So this is a client who's
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about seven years old.
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He's got about one hundred
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thousand dollars in Verizon stock.
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He was an employee of
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Verizon and like many
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employees of corporations,
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he acquired stock over the years.
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And he very much likes every
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quarter getting a dividend
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of about fifteen hundred,
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sixteen hundred dollars.
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It's the dividend on the stock right now.
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Annualized is about six
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point five percent.
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client is looking for income
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but he's concerned about
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the risk of this individual
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stock verizon a potential
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decline in the value of
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verizon and thus maybe they
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don't have the ability to
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continue to pay uh their
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dividend as a side note
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which I didn't write in the
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email brian we
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When during this discussion
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that we have with this client,
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the issues of the former
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issues with AT&T comes up
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because he was in a holder
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of AT&T and similar
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concerns and AT&T
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ultimately in the past had
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cut their dividend and
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shocked some people who had
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bought the stock.
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So that comes up in the context.
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Overall,
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the client has a moderate risk profile.
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He's not afraid of risk,
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but as he's getting older,
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he's becoming more conservative thinking.
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the question is what would
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you suggest he do I think
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knowing that he likes the
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income stream what would
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you suggest he do with this
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hundred thousand dollars of
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verizon stock all right so
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I'm gonna get in the
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verizon I I'm not gonna
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leave rick hanging um so
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before I do that I do want
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to get into uh some of the
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reasons on why I don't
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recommend buying a stock
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just for the dividend yield.
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As a general rule of thumb,
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I don't think that's a good idea.
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Now,
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oftentimes the dividend yield is high
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because a dividend cut is imminent.
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You mentioned AT&T, that did happen.
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It tanked the stock at the time.
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I believe they have the
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dividend if I'm remembering correctly.
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so sometimes the high
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dividend yield uh could
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mean that it's just you
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know it's just a mirage
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this is a temporary thing
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it's it's gonna be you know
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cut in half in the case of
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at t it's some some future
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point in time probably very
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soon um that's oftentimes
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what the what the market is
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saying when it cuts the
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price down so much uh that
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the dividend yield looks
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high now that's not always
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the case and we'll get into
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you know verizon specific
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um after a few more points
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Now,
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there's a few reasons why I don't like
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buying stocks just for the dividend.
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Dividend-oriented funds and
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stocks chronically
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underperform stocks that do
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not prioritize dividends.
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Now,
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there's four things that you can do if
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you're a company with your cash flow.
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You can reinvest in the business.
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That means more growth.
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So if you're prioritizing the dividend,
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you're probably not going
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to grow that much.
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You can pay down debt.
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That makes your business more secure.
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You're far more likely to go
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bankrupt if you have a lot of debt.
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You can buy back stock.
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Really the same thing as a dividend,
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except it's much more tax efficient.
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You're going to get a capital gain.
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You can decide when to pay
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that tax on your own rather
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than getting it quarterly
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as the client is getting.
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And the last thing you can
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do is pay a dividend.
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Prioritizing a dividend at
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the expense of these
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matters can lead to worse
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overall performance,
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and that seems to be the case.
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dividend-oriented fund just
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against the S&P
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I think it's important to
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keep those things in mind.
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So Brian, when you see a company,
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any company that's
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maintaining a high dividend, what,
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what are you thinking?
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Cause they know these choices as well.
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Are you thinking that they,
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what are you thinking?
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I don't want to put words in your mouth.
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Why would a company pay a
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dividend so large when they
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have these other options,
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which fundamentally might
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be better for the health of
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the corporation?
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Well,
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it might be the right thing to pay a
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dividend, right?
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It might be a very mature
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company that isn't going to
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grow very much.
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They don't have a lot of
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options to reinvest in their business.
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They might have a very
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reasonable balance sheet
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where it doesn't make a
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whole lot of sense to pay down more debt.
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They might be buying back stock too.
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Maybe they're doing half and half.
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Maybe they're paying a
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dividend for the certain
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amount and maybe they're
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buying back stock.
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This is another problem
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generally with the dividend yield.
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Sometimes I'll see a company
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is buying back
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twice as much stock as
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they're paying a dividend.
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It looks like the dividend's
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very low when people just ignore it,
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thinking that the
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dividend's not high enough.
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One percent's not nearly enough for me,
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when in reality,
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the return to shareholders
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is more like three,
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three and a half percent
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when you put in the buyback yield.
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Getting back to some of the
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things on how to create cash flow, which
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is oftentimes a problem when
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people are thinking about dividends.
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They like the cash flow, right?
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They want to create a new
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paycheck and retirement.
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Well,
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it would have been far better to hold
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Google, for example,
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which only recently started
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paying a dividend over the
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last ten years and sell the
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shares as needed than to hold Verizon.
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You know, over the last ten years,
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Google's up five hundred
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fifty two percent and
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Verizon's only up thirty
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seven and a half percent.
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And that's total return that
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includes dividend.
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So you're much better off
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holding the stock and
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selling some shares as
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needed and creating a
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paycheck that way rather
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than rather than taking the
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dividend and my final point
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on this before we get into
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verizon specifically is if
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you really want income and
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stability you're probably
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better off moving up in the
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capital structure and
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buying fixed income
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especially where rates are
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today right so uh this is
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going to come into play
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when we start thinking
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about the value of verizon
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but if you just buy the I
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shares high yield index for example
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It's outperformed Verizon
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over the last ten years
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while being higher in the
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capital structure.
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Could you define for our
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listeners who may not be
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familiar with the term that you're saying,
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capital structure,
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higher in the capital structure?
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Sure.
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So the capital structure
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means the best way to think
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about it is the priority of payments,
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right?
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So you are contractually
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obligated to pay your
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interest expense on your debt.
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That is something that has to happen.
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If you can't do that,
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you go bankrupt and the
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equity goes to zero.
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So that is,
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it's much more likely to be paid.
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And if it isn't,
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then the company's bankrupt
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and the equity of the
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company isn't worth anything anyways.
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So it's a much safer asset
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for that reason.
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It should be less volatile
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for that reason.
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And we see that fixed income
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is very much less volatile than equity.
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And dividends, for example,
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they are returns to shareholders,
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equity returns.
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They are not contractually
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obligated to pay that.
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So they can just cut it, right?
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You can't cut the payment to fixed income.
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You can cut the payments to
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equity holders.
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right it's perfectly fine
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perfectly legally you will
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not go bankrupt um so
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there's much more stability
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in buying fixed income and
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if the yields are similar
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and there's no growth uh
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all things equal I I mean I
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I would much rather hold
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the fixed income instrument
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right and to put this to
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the extreme example if a
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company does go bankrupt
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dividends are long gone and
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shareholders they're the
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shares that they own
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they're last on the list of
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to be fed right at the bankruptcy table
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Right.
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And there's a good chance
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you're going to get
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something back in your fixed income,
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especially if it's a secured asset.
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Senior secured assets
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generally return about
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eighty percent of the
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capital in bankruptcy.
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So they're much they're much more stable,
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much more reasonable assets
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to hold if you're looking
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for quote unquote income.
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OK, let's dig into Verizon itself now.
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What we're going to talk
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about isn't a
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recommendation to buy a stock.
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It's not a recommendation to sell a stock.
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We're giving Brian's
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thoughts on the question
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that this particular client
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make and past performance
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is certainly not any
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predictor of future results.
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Right.
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So that's important.
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And despite everything I just said, rarely,
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but sometimes,
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a high dividend yield can
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represent an overlooked stock.
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I think it's important to say it's rare,
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but sometimes it happens.
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It's worth looking,
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especially if it's a mature,
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well-known company with few competitors.
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Oftentimes, it's just overlooked.
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Could just be a money machine, right?
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Not popular in the current
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stock market popularity contest.
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It's rare, but it happens.
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When it does happen,
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I love to take advantage of it.
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That being said,
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we do own Verizon for
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clients that we manage
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money for on a
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discretionary basis for
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individual stocks.
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So let's get in the why.
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The dividend of six point
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four six percent is five
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times higher than the overall market.
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So it's not even close.
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This is much, much,
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much higher than the S&P five hundred,
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for example.
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So that is an indication
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that if it can pay the dividend, it is.
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probably very cheap and has
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the opportunity for capital
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gains going forward because
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it's very cheap the
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dividend is very well
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covered by the cash flow so
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the free cash flow runs
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about three and three to
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five billion dollars a
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quarter while the dividend
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is two point eight billion
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so you can see that three
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to five billion is higher
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than the two point eight
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billion uh so you know
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there's it can reasonably
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you know pay the div
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continue to pay the dividend
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If interest rates come down,
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particularly long rates or
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spreads continue to tighten.
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And by spreads,
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I mean the difference
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between a high yield
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instrument and a treasury instrument.
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If that difference continues to come in,
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I would expect decent price
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movement in this company to
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accompany the dividend, which is great.
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Right.
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So I'll give you an example.
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We initiated the position
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much lower than the stock
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currently is now.
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which is great.
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And the expectation was that
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as interest rates came down,
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I would get price appreciation.
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Now,
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you might get the sense that I'm not
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planning on being in this stock forever.
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And that makes sense.
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I have a thesis that it's underappreciated,
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partly because it's viewed
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as somewhat of a fixed
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income type instrument and
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that as rates come down,
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the price will appreciate
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as the price appreciates.
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I likely won't want to be in
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this stock further as we
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realize that price appreciations.
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Now, all that's good, right?
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But there's real concerns about the stock.
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don't think it's an obvious
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hold um I I would say that
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I am looking at this as a
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as a source of funds if I
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find a better opportunity
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right now I mentioned that
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we bought it lower we've
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had some appreciation we've
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owned it for a little over
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a year and a half um I've
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been I've been happy with
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it so far uh it's not like
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I have an itchy trigger
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finger on it but if I find
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something that is
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consistent and going to
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grow for a long period of time
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this might be a way that I
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fund that new purchase.
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So I don't think it's an obvious hold.
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The growth is flat to negative,
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which is unsurprising, right?
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It pays a high dividend,
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not reinvesting in the business as much.
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So it's not growing as much.
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So any price appreciation
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would have to come from
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that change in rates,
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or they would have to cut
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costs pretty dramatically
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to grow the bottom line.
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Cutting costs would
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presumably make them less
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competitive in the future.
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This is an important point,
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especially since...
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sprint and t-mobile merged
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to be to be a very
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competitive uh third
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provider of of cell service
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uh in this country right
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there's really the big
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three there's t-mobile
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there's at&t and verizon
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before the merger that was
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really at&t and verizon now
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there's a there's a much
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more bigger competitive threat
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There's a lot of evidence
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throughout the history of
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the stock market that a
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duopoly is great and you
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add a third competitor and
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things start to get a lot
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hairier for these stocks.
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Now, there's a lot of debt on the business,
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right?
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I said that we could pay
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down debt and make the
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company more secure.
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This company has a lot of
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debt on the business.
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This company has more debt
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on the business than AT&T
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does to your prior point, right?
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With a lot of it coming due in the next
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What does that mean?
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Well,
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it doesn't mean that they're not
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going to be able to pay it.
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They have about twenty
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billion coming in the next twelve months.
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I mentioned that they only
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have three to five billion
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in cash flow per year.
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So they're going to have to
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refinance the debt similar
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to how you would refinance a house.
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They're not going to pay
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down the principal
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completely with their cash flow.
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What they're going to do is
581
00:16:02,982 --> 00:16:05,125
finance that money with
582
00:16:05,504 --> 00:16:07,386
higher yielding debt than
583
00:16:07,407 --> 00:16:08,447
they currently have just
584
00:16:08,466 --> 00:16:09,567
because rates have gone higher.
585
00:16:09,587 --> 00:16:11,250
They are an investment grade company.
586
00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:13,972
I don't expect this to be a problem.
587
00:16:14,913 --> 00:16:16,296
But you can see that over
588
00:16:16,336 --> 00:16:17,096
the last few years,
589
00:16:17,177 --> 00:16:18,197
as rates have gone higher,
590
00:16:18,298 --> 00:16:19,500
this has eaten into their
591
00:16:20,822 --> 00:16:22,263
net income as interest
592
00:16:22,303 --> 00:16:23,105
rates have moved higher.
593
00:16:23,125 --> 00:16:24,767
So that's another reason to
594
00:16:24,787 --> 00:16:25,508
be concerned about the
595
00:16:25,528 --> 00:16:26,268
future of this company.
596
00:16:26,708 --> 00:16:28,091
If we're already growing at
597
00:16:28,130 --> 00:16:28,991
flat to negative,
598
00:16:29,192 --> 00:16:30,514
this can only be a bad thing.
599
00:16:31,124 --> 00:16:32,124
And aren't they making a big
600
00:16:32,203 --> 00:16:33,524
acquisition soon?
601
00:16:33,565 --> 00:16:33,945
They are.
602
00:16:34,044 --> 00:16:35,725
They're buying Frontier Communications.
603
00:16:35,765 --> 00:16:36,725
This is going to be my next
604
00:16:36,765 --> 00:16:38,346
point for twenty billion
605
00:16:38,386 --> 00:16:39,447
dollars in alt cash.
606
00:16:40,148 --> 00:16:41,288
So the transaction will need
607
00:16:41,327 --> 00:16:42,229
even more financing.
608
00:16:43,089 --> 00:16:44,250
Most acquisitions turn out
609
00:16:44,289 --> 00:16:45,009
to be a bad idea.
610
00:16:46,921 --> 00:16:48,783
I do not know enough about
611
00:16:48,844 --> 00:16:49,985
frontier communications and
612
00:16:50,005 --> 00:16:51,288
Verizon's business to make
613
00:16:51,327 --> 00:16:52,509
a judgment on whether or
614
00:16:52,549 --> 00:16:53,892
not it's going to be a bad idea.
615
00:16:54,292 --> 00:16:56,054
But I do know that about
616
00:16:56,095 --> 00:16:57,056
seventy five percent of
617
00:16:57,136 --> 00:16:58,337
acquisitions end up being
618
00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,841
poor acquisitions.
619
00:17:00,902 --> 00:17:01,082
So.
620
00:17:02,716 --> 00:17:02,937
You know,
621
00:17:03,177 --> 00:17:04,898
I wouldn't bet on a two fifty
622
00:17:04,939 --> 00:17:05,959
hitter getting a hit when
623
00:17:05,999 --> 00:17:06,940
he comes up to the plate.
624
00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:08,681
And, you know,
625
00:17:08,701 --> 00:17:09,902
that seems to be the odds
626
00:17:09,922 --> 00:17:11,403
that I'm handed here.
627
00:17:11,683 --> 00:17:14,425
You know, and moreover,
628
00:17:14,486 --> 00:17:15,445
I know for I know for a
629
00:17:15,487 --> 00:17:16,567
fact that my my interest
630
00:17:16,606 --> 00:17:17,988
costs are going to are going to go up.
631
00:17:18,028 --> 00:17:19,609
So the bottom line is, you know,
632
00:17:19,650 --> 00:17:20,670
I've held the stock for a
633
00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:21,211
year and a half.
634
00:17:21,371 --> 00:17:22,592
For me, that's not a long time.
635
00:17:23,451 --> 00:17:24,553
uh and done fine with it uh
636
00:17:25,272 --> 00:17:26,292
but it would likely be a
637
00:17:26,353 --> 00:17:27,273
source of funds because it
638
00:17:27,314 --> 00:17:28,253
does have some hair on it
639
00:17:28,513 --> 00:17:29,535
uh the dividend seems safe
640
00:17:29,555 --> 00:17:30,414
for now but there's a lot
641
00:17:30,434 --> 00:17:31,955
of debt in the business um
642
00:17:32,056 --> 00:17:33,115
and we're hoping to benefit
643
00:17:33,355 --> 00:17:34,336
more from lower interest
644
00:17:34,376 --> 00:17:36,978
rates which seem less
645
00:17:37,038 --> 00:17:39,538
likely now than they seemed
646
00:17:39,558 --> 00:17:41,659
uh you know uh probably a
647
00:17:41,759 --> 00:17:44,780
year ago to me so um we've
648
00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:46,500
done well in it uh I'm
649
00:17:46,540 --> 00:17:48,221
happy about that uh
650
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,122
There is some hair on the stock.
651
00:17:50,821 --> 00:17:52,683
If interest rates continue to move lower,
652
00:17:53,365 --> 00:17:55,047
that would be very good for the stock,
653
00:17:55,086 --> 00:17:56,107
but I think that's less
654
00:17:56,167 --> 00:17:57,269
likely to happen than it
655
00:17:57,288 --> 00:17:58,190
has in the last year.
656
00:17:59,290 --> 00:18:02,394
We see spreads at historic tights.
657
00:18:02,615 --> 00:18:03,095
We see
658
00:18:04,263 --> 00:18:04,463
you know,
659
00:18:04,503 --> 00:18:06,625
inflation expected to move higher
660
00:18:06,664 --> 00:18:08,005
now in twenty twenty five,
661
00:18:08,105 --> 00:18:09,846
at least by a little bit.
662
00:18:10,526 --> 00:18:11,606
And those things are not
663
00:18:11,646 --> 00:18:13,007
good for the downward
664
00:18:13,027 --> 00:18:14,047
trajectory of interest rates.
665
00:18:14,367 --> 00:18:16,367
So the reasons why we like
666
00:18:16,807 --> 00:18:17,828
the stock in the first
667
00:18:17,868 --> 00:18:19,949
place are largely going away.
668
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:21,849
And there's been some price appreciation,
669
00:18:21,890 --> 00:18:22,849
price appreciation.
670
00:18:23,351 --> 00:18:25,171
So the stock's fine.
671
00:18:25,570 --> 00:18:26,152
I don't love it.
672
00:18:26,932 --> 00:18:27,971
I wouldn't own it just for the dividend.
673
00:18:27,991 --> 00:18:28,132
Yeah.
674
00:18:29,192 --> 00:18:30,113
And just kind of a side
675
00:18:30,153 --> 00:18:31,032
comment here about
676
00:18:31,073 --> 00:18:33,034
financial planning principles generally.
677
00:18:33,786 --> 00:18:36,467
we attempt to discourage individuals,
678
00:18:36,507 --> 00:18:37,446
clients who have a
679
00:18:37,567 --> 00:18:38,787
concentrated holding in a
680
00:18:38,946 --> 00:18:41,667
single holding and for, you know,
681
00:18:41,688 --> 00:18:43,288
it depends on the size of their assets,
682
00:18:43,307 --> 00:18:44,449
depends on their net worth
683
00:18:44,489 --> 00:18:45,528
and how it fits into their
684
00:18:45,548 --> 00:18:46,568
whole financial plan.
685
00:18:47,108 --> 00:18:48,410
But generally we don't like
686
00:18:48,450 --> 00:18:50,049
to have our clients have a
687
00:18:50,109 --> 00:18:51,390
single holding represent
688
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:53,971
more than five percent, for example,
689
00:18:54,290 --> 00:18:55,611
of their entire portfolio.
690
00:18:55,672 --> 00:18:56,811
And so, you know,
691
00:18:56,832 --> 00:18:58,011
that's an individual situation.
692
00:18:58,031 --> 00:18:58,731
We're not going to get into
693
00:18:58,771 --> 00:19:00,032
the details of this client,
694
00:19:00,573 --> 00:19:01,333
but if it's a,
695
00:19:02,726 --> 00:19:03,946
If you acquire a lot of stock,
696
00:19:03,987 --> 00:19:05,127
like in this case,
697
00:19:05,347 --> 00:19:06,407
this individual did while
698
00:19:06,428 --> 00:19:06,929
they're working.
699
00:19:06,969 --> 00:19:08,148
And so it's normal that
700
00:19:08,189 --> 00:19:09,789
clients and prospects come
701
00:19:09,809 --> 00:19:11,510
to us and they're retiring
702
00:19:11,530 --> 00:19:12,991
and they have a less company stock.
703
00:19:13,031 --> 00:19:14,452
And one of the common things
704
00:19:14,472 --> 00:19:15,713
that we discuss with them is,
705
00:19:15,854 --> 00:19:19,135
is it prudent to have all of the stock,
706
00:19:19,415 --> 00:19:20,576
all this value,
707
00:19:20,616 --> 00:19:22,336
all these assets in one holding,
708
00:19:22,397 --> 00:19:23,317
even if you love it,
709
00:19:23,478 --> 00:19:24,798
even if you don't have any
710
00:19:24,838 --> 00:19:25,618
concerns about it,
711
00:19:25,638 --> 00:19:27,820
maybe you worked in the industry forever.
712
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:28,740
You're confident in the
713
00:19:28,780 --> 00:19:30,061
trajectory of this company.
714
00:19:30,753 --> 00:19:32,234
It's not prudent for the
715
00:19:32,275 --> 00:19:32,875
principles of
716
00:19:32,894 --> 00:19:35,615
diversification to have so
717
00:19:35,695 --> 00:19:37,057
much of your assets
718
00:19:37,096 --> 00:19:38,116
invested in one company.
719
00:19:38,157 --> 00:19:40,278
The risk is just too great.
720
00:19:40,338 --> 00:19:40,538
Russ,
721
00:19:40,558 --> 00:19:41,659
you probably see that with some
722
00:19:41,679 --> 00:19:42,318
people that you've been
723
00:19:42,338 --> 00:19:43,440
talking to where they have
724
00:19:43,460 --> 00:19:45,540
a concentrated holding and
725
00:19:45,941 --> 00:19:47,642
the advice that we typically give them.
726
00:19:48,628 --> 00:19:49,088
Definitely.
727
00:19:49,189 --> 00:19:50,390
I think that's been a
728
00:19:50,430 --> 00:19:51,310
conversation I've been
729
00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:52,352
having a lot recently.
730
00:19:52,551 --> 00:19:52,912
Also,
731
00:19:52,971 --> 00:19:54,192
we talked about it on our recent
732
00:19:54,773 --> 00:19:55,594
podcast episode,
733
00:19:56,575 --> 00:19:57,915
some of the risks of having
734
00:19:58,236 --> 00:20:00,238
too much in one specific stock.
735
00:20:00,258 --> 00:20:02,679
But it's also one stock,
736
00:20:02,699 --> 00:20:04,260
but also a specific sector.
737
00:20:04,540 --> 00:20:06,662
So it could be a lot of
738
00:20:07,482 --> 00:20:08,203
different companies,
739
00:20:08,243 --> 00:20:08,804
but they're all
740
00:20:08,923 --> 00:20:10,786
concentrated in one specific group,
741
00:20:10,925 --> 00:20:13,446
maybe a telecom, maybe technology.
742
00:20:13,548 --> 00:20:13,887
Obviously,
743
00:20:13,928 --> 00:20:14,989
technology has done really well.
744
00:20:15,782 --> 00:20:18,045
uh, recently, but maybe, maybe Brian,
745
00:20:18,065 --> 00:20:19,365
you have any thoughts on, um,
746
00:20:19,846 --> 00:20:21,407
sector diversification and
747
00:20:21,548 --> 00:20:22,528
maybe certain limits that
748
00:20:22,548 --> 00:20:23,650
you'd want to cap yourself
749
00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:24,711
at if you're looking at one
750
00:20:24,750 --> 00:20:25,592
specific industry.
751
00:20:27,973 --> 00:20:28,673
Well, I,
752
00:20:28,753 --> 00:20:29,434
I don't want to talk about
753
00:20:29,454 --> 00:20:30,915
specific capsule limits because I,
754
00:20:31,076 --> 00:20:33,137
I don't like to talk about hard rules,
755
00:20:33,198 --> 00:20:34,578
but I will say that I,
756
00:20:34,598 --> 00:20:35,759
I see this mistake a lot.
757
00:20:36,361 --> 00:20:36,461
Um,
758
00:20:37,344 --> 00:20:38,545
I see people hold Verizon
759
00:20:39,065 --> 00:20:40,987
and TNT and T-Mobile,
760
00:20:41,207 --> 00:20:42,607
and they think they're diversified.
761
00:20:42,748 --> 00:20:43,749
You know, when you add them up,
762
00:20:44,250 --> 00:20:45,109
it's a very significant
763
00:20:45,130 --> 00:20:46,070
amount of a portfolio.
764
00:20:46,431 --> 00:20:47,832
I see people on Verizon and
765
00:20:47,872 --> 00:20:48,673
MasterCard a lot.
766
00:20:48,692 --> 00:20:50,334
It's essentially the same business.
767
00:20:51,275 --> 00:20:52,455
You know, you can see,
768
00:20:52,556 --> 00:20:53,436
especially these days,
769
00:20:53,457 --> 00:20:55,597
you can see a lot of Nvidia, a lot of AMD,
770
00:20:56,378 --> 00:20:57,200
and then they'll have a
771
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,361
semiconductor ETF.
772
00:20:59,340 --> 00:21:01,303
And, you know,
773
00:21:01,482 --> 00:21:02,324
what I like to call it is
774
00:21:02,364 --> 00:21:03,765
the illusion of diversification.
775
00:21:04,508 --> 00:21:05,509
But sometimes you'll see
776
00:21:05,528 --> 00:21:08,049
people with three or four dividend ETFs.
777
00:21:08,309 --> 00:21:09,851
And when you look into the top holdings,
778
00:21:09,891 --> 00:21:10,770
they're all the same company.
779
00:21:10,790 --> 00:21:12,251
So, you know,
780
00:21:12,451 --> 00:21:13,633
I call it the illusion of
781
00:21:13,673 --> 00:21:14,373
diversification.
782
00:21:14,413 --> 00:21:16,334
It's not you're not really diversified.
783
00:21:16,374 --> 00:21:17,355
It just looks like you are
784
00:21:17,375 --> 00:21:18,394
because you have four tickers.
785
00:21:19,195 --> 00:21:20,336
But you're very concentrated
786
00:21:20,396 --> 00:21:23,698
in a sector or a type of investment.
787
00:21:25,219 --> 00:21:27,079
And when that goes out of
788
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,240
favor for one reason or another, you know,
789
00:21:29,441 --> 00:21:30,241
you're going to feel it
790
00:21:30,781 --> 00:21:32,442
more than you probably expect.
791
00:21:33,253 --> 00:21:34,094
Oh, thank you.
792
00:21:34,173 --> 00:21:34,654
Thank you, Brian,
793
00:21:34,674 --> 00:21:35,615
for your comments on that one.
794
00:21:35,634 --> 00:21:36,976
Let's go dig into the
795
00:21:37,016 --> 00:21:39,876
mailbag and ask the next question.
796
00:21:39,977 --> 00:21:41,616
So this is a couple who are
797
00:21:41,636 --> 00:21:43,097
in their forties and
798
00:21:43,117 --> 00:21:44,398
they're saving for retirement.
799
00:21:44,459 --> 00:21:46,138
Like most people,
800
00:21:46,419 --> 00:21:47,799
they're using their four or one case,
801
00:21:47,819 --> 00:21:48,700
which is real common.
802
00:21:49,121 --> 00:21:50,260
Their risk tolerance is high.
803
00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:52,662
They're very tolerant of taking risks.
804
00:21:52,682 --> 00:21:53,501
They know they get a long
805
00:21:53,561 --> 00:21:55,383
runway here and they don't
806
00:21:55,423 --> 00:21:56,423
expect to use these funds
807
00:21:56,463 --> 00:21:57,324
until they retire.
808
00:21:58,463 --> 00:21:59,865
They have four or one K
809
00:21:59,904 --> 00:22:01,586
funds in a model portfolio.
810
00:22:02,594 --> 00:22:04,556
one of their choices and it
811
00:22:04,596 --> 00:22:05,916
has twenty five percent
812
00:22:07,578 --> 00:22:09,140
exposure to international
813
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,362
stock funds so they were
814
00:22:11,402 --> 00:22:12,242
digging in they were doing
815
00:22:12,262 --> 00:22:13,304
their research which I love
816
00:22:13,344 --> 00:22:14,684
to love to hear that people
817
00:22:14,704 --> 00:22:15,806
are looking at what's
818
00:22:15,846 --> 00:22:17,847
inside of these funds and
819
00:22:17,887 --> 00:22:18,929
they believe that they
820
00:22:18,969 --> 00:22:20,069
found that the return on
821
00:22:20,109 --> 00:22:22,172
international stock funds
822
00:22:22,291 --> 00:22:24,314
has lagged the US stock
823
00:22:24,354 --> 00:22:26,796
funds for a long time and they're asking
824
00:22:27,385 --> 00:22:28,747
They understand diversification,
825
00:22:28,826 --> 00:22:29,847
what we were just talking about,
826
00:22:30,307 --> 00:22:31,048
in this case being
827
00:22:31,108 --> 00:22:31,949
diversified to
828
00:22:32,029 --> 00:22:34,050
international investing as well.
829
00:22:35,011 --> 00:22:35,751
But they're asking,
830
00:22:35,771 --> 00:22:37,653
should they continue to
831
00:22:37,693 --> 00:22:38,615
keep a portion of their
832
00:22:38,654 --> 00:22:39,694
funds in their retirement
833
00:22:39,714 --> 00:22:40,855
account exposed to
834
00:22:41,016 --> 00:22:42,136
international equities
835
00:22:43,038 --> 00:22:45,380
after a period of long underperformance?
836
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,040
And if so, why?
837
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,481
And if not, why not?
838
00:22:50,564 --> 00:22:51,904
It's a great question and
839
00:22:52,265 --> 00:22:55,146
one that I ask myself all the time,
840
00:22:55,166 --> 00:22:55,567
honestly.
841
00:22:57,576 --> 00:22:58,657
I wrote down some thoughts
842
00:22:58,837 --> 00:23:00,979
for the pro all US argument
843
00:23:01,298 --> 00:23:02,460
and the pro international
844
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,599
diversification argument.
845
00:23:04,140 --> 00:23:05,621
And then I'll tell you how I
846
00:23:05,681 --> 00:23:06,862
personally treat it and how
847
00:23:06,902 --> 00:23:09,063
we treat it from the vast
848
00:23:09,083 --> 00:23:11,163
majority of our clients.
849
00:23:11,183 --> 00:23:12,284
So the pro all US,
850
00:23:13,085 --> 00:23:14,546
this particular couple is correct.
851
00:23:14,865 --> 00:23:16,886
UF stocks have done much
852
00:23:16,926 --> 00:23:17,926
better than international
853
00:23:17,946 --> 00:23:19,488
stocks over a significant period of time.
854
00:23:19,968 --> 00:23:21,648
For this analysis, I looked back
855
00:23:22,957 --> 00:23:24,397
I believe it was a ten-year period,
856
00:23:24,498 --> 00:23:25,278
and I think there was a
857
00:23:25,358 --> 00:23:26,599
thirteen percent return on
858
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,122
the S&P five hundred and the MSCI,
859
00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:30,962
All Country World Index,
860
00:23:31,243 --> 00:23:33,545
ex-US was up maybe just
861
00:23:33,605 --> 00:23:34,385
over four percent.
862
00:23:34,425 --> 00:23:36,146
So there was a big,
863
00:23:36,288 --> 00:23:37,508
big difference between
864
00:23:37,608 --> 00:23:39,710
international and US over
865
00:23:39,730 --> 00:23:40,351
the last decade.
866
00:23:40,391 --> 00:23:40,851
And, you know,
867
00:23:40,891 --> 00:23:41,892
ten years to me is not a
868
00:23:41,932 --> 00:23:42,752
short period of time.
869
00:23:43,432 --> 00:23:44,513
I'm constantly preaching
870
00:23:44,733 --> 00:23:45,775
this thing for the long term.
871
00:23:46,494 --> 00:23:48,096
And most people incorrectly,
872
00:23:48,297 --> 00:23:49,597
when I say that, think, you know,
873
00:23:50,097 --> 00:23:52,040
three months to two years is a long time,
874
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,505
but no, I'm thinking much more than that.
875
00:23:54,585 --> 00:23:56,047
And this couple seems to be
876
00:23:56,468 --> 00:23:57,470
on the right page, right?
877
00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:58,811
They're thinking over twenty years,
878
00:23:58,852 --> 00:24:00,934
they're looking back over ten years.
879
00:24:02,056 --> 00:24:02,297
You know,
880
00:24:02,416 --> 00:24:04,259
it's really hard when you look at
881
00:24:04,299 --> 00:24:05,422
this past data and say,
882
00:24:07,402 --> 00:24:08,603
It makes sense to invest
883
00:24:08,643 --> 00:24:10,044
internationally when you
884
00:24:10,064 --> 00:24:12,967
look at the performance data.
885
00:24:13,047 --> 00:24:13,467
In addition,
886
00:24:13,487 --> 00:24:14,428
there's a really good argument
887
00:24:14,448 --> 00:24:15,388
that large cap domestic
888
00:24:15,409 --> 00:24:16,388
stocks generate enough
889
00:24:16,429 --> 00:24:18,431
revenue from international
890
00:24:19,372 --> 00:24:20,192
countries where it's
891
00:24:20,272 --> 00:24:21,452
unnecessary to further
892
00:24:21,493 --> 00:24:23,315
diversify into those markets.
893
00:24:23,734 --> 00:24:24,996
This was a popular stance
894
00:24:25,036 --> 00:24:26,897
from Vanguard's John Bogle
895
00:24:27,077 --> 00:24:27,657
before he died.
896
00:24:29,138 --> 00:24:30,799
You know, the other thing is U.S.
897
00:24:30,819 --> 00:24:32,680
has a relatively attractive demographics,
898
00:24:33,099 --> 00:24:33,680
at least now,
899
00:24:34,421 --> 00:24:35,121
compared to the rest of the
900
00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:38,061
world because of the
901
00:24:39,041 --> 00:24:40,582
increase in immigration that we've had.
902
00:24:40,602 --> 00:24:41,782
We have generally younger
903
00:24:41,823 --> 00:24:43,682
demographics than a lot of
904
00:24:43,702 --> 00:24:44,623
the developed world,
905
00:24:44,942 --> 00:24:46,364
and especially that of
906
00:24:46,403 --> 00:24:47,104
something like China.
907
00:24:48,315 --> 00:24:48,855
So, you know,
908
00:24:48,875 --> 00:24:50,695
that's the argument for all U.S.
909
00:24:50,836 --> 00:24:51,936
And I think it's a strong one.
910
00:24:52,916 --> 00:24:54,077
So I'm going to make the
911
00:24:54,178 --> 00:24:55,877
argument for international
912
00:24:55,897 --> 00:24:56,818
diversification.
913
00:24:56,838 --> 00:24:57,118
Brian,
914
00:24:57,159 --> 00:24:59,500
I want you to dig into that a little
915
00:24:59,519 --> 00:25:02,181
bit more about Vanguard's posture.
916
00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:02,881
And, you know,
917
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,041
you've shared it with before.
918
00:25:04,082 --> 00:25:05,021
But for people who haven't
919
00:25:05,061 --> 00:25:05,721
heard you before,
920
00:25:06,663 --> 00:25:08,762
why are you saying that a
921
00:25:08,782 --> 00:25:10,503
positive for all U.S.
922
00:25:11,684 --> 00:25:12,684
already kind of gives you
923
00:25:12,724 --> 00:25:14,766
some exposure to foreign markets?
924
00:25:15,617 --> 00:25:17,880
Well, you're going to get exposure.
925
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,821
Let's say some company
926
00:25:20,902 --> 00:25:23,344
domiciled in New York City
927
00:25:24,884 --> 00:25:27,727
is a multinational corporation, right?
928
00:25:27,747 --> 00:25:29,548
That means they sell in Europe,
929
00:25:29,587 --> 00:25:32,430
they sell in China, they sell in Japan.
930
00:25:33,250 --> 00:25:34,352
They're going to have
931
00:25:35,472 --> 00:25:36,492
currency exposure in all
932
00:25:36,512 --> 00:25:37,513
those countries because
933
00:25:37,534 --> 00:25:40,655
they transact in euros or yen or won.
934
00:25:41,824 --> 00:25:42,724
And they're going to have
935
00:25:42,785 --> 00:25:44,925
exposure to the consumer in
936
00:25:44,986 --> 00:25:46,707
all those countries as well.
937
00:25:46,967 --> 00:25:48,788
And I looked at this recently,
938
00:25:49,009 --> 00:25:50,109
and don't mark my words
939
00:25:50,829 --> 00:25:52,250
because I'm doing this off
940
00:25:52,270 --> 00:25:52,810
the top of my head,
941
00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:54,412
but I think about thirty
942
00:25:54,932 --> 00:25:56,413
percent of the revenue of
943
00:25:56,453 --> 00:25:57,453
the S&P five hundred is
944
00:25:57,513 --> 00:25:58,634
generated internationally.
945
00:25:59,596 --> 00:26:00,476
So you're going to have a
946
00:26:00,536 --> 00:26:03,919
lot of the benefit of the
947
00:26:03,999 --> 00:26:05,779
international consumer just
948
00:26:05,819 --> 00:26:07,641
by holding the largest five
949
00:26:07,661 --> 00:26:08,781
hundred stocks in the United States.
950
00:26:09,482 --> 00:26:09,923
Very good.
951
00:26:09,982 --> 00:26:11,184
Thank you for adding that
952
00:26:11,224 --> 00:26:12,026
commentary on that.
953
00:26:12,066 --> 00:26:14,208
So go to the other argument
954
00:26:14,288 --> 00:26:17,251
of why we should have
955
00:26:17,432 --> 00:26:18,334
direct international
956
00:26:18,354 --> 00:26:20,276
exposure in our portfolios.
957
00:26:20,696 --> 00:26:22,318
Yeah, so ten years is a long time.
958
00:26:22,679 --> 00:26:24,121
I mentioned that earlier with the U.S.,
959
00:26:25,602 --> 00:26:26,602
But most of us are probably
960
00:26:26,622 --> 00:26:27,563
going to be investing for
961
00:26:27,623 --> 00:26:28,542
longer than ten years.
962
00:26:31,483 --> 00:26:32,703
I hope to be investing for
963
00:26:32,763 --> 00:26:34,105
the next sixty years of my life,
964
00:26:34,125 --> 00:26:34,525
for example.
965
00:26:34,545 --> 00:26:35,944
That means I'll have a very,
966
00:26:36,005 --> 00:26:37,125
very nice long life,
967
00:26:37,605 --> 00:26:38,506
one that I could be proud of.
968
00:26:39,547 --> 00:26:40,287
But in reality,
969
00:26:40,307 --> 00:26:41,426
I'll probably be investing
970
00:26:41,487 --> 00:26:43,028
for longer than those sixty years.
971
00:26:44,288 --> 00:26:46,348
Because I hope to get to a
972
00:26:46,409 --> 00:26:47,390
point where I'm investing
973
00:26:47,410 --> 00:26:49,549
for my heirs to a certain degree.
974
00:26:49,589 --> 00:26:52,132
So if you're older and you're thinking,
975
00:26:52,231 --> 00:26:53,271
I don't have ten years,
976
00:26:54,031 --> 00:26:54,932
the likelihood that you're
977
00:26:54,952 --> 00:26:55,932
investing for longer than
978
00:26:55,972 --> 00:26:57,193
ten years is probably very, very,
979
00:26:57,233 --> 00:26:57,874
very high.
980
00:26:58,815 --> 00:26:59,694
Oftentimes we see that
981
00:26:59,734 --> 00:27:01,635
people are outliving their money.
982
00:27:02,375 --> 00:27:03,457
So you might want to think
983
00:27:03,477 --> 00:27:04,896
in increments that are much
984
00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:05,857
longer than ten years.
985
00:27:06,897 --> 00:27:08,098
And I will say that, you know,
986
00:27:08,118 --> 00:27:09,598
I'll admit that ten years is a long time.
987
00:27:09,638 --> 00:27:11,420
If an investment's not
988
00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:12,361
panning out over ten years,
989
00:27:12,381 --> 00:27:14,741
you might want to rethink your thesis.
990
00:27:14,781 --> 00:27:18,423
Now, why is that important?
991
00:27:18,442 --> 00:27:20,023
There are long stretches
992
00:27:20,044 --> 00:27:21,765
where international stocks have performed,
993
00:27:22,265 --> 00:27:23,465
including the late eighties
994
00:27:23,486 --> 00:27:24,566
and the early two thousands.
995
00:27:24,766 --> 00:27:26,307
Now that the late eighties
996
00:27:26,326 --> 00:27:27,287
and the early two thousands,
997
00:27:27,307 --> 00:27:28,688
that's well within my lifetime.
998
00:27:30,234 --> 00:27:30,494
You know,
999
00:27:30,595 --> 00:27:33,415
and that's long within the time
1000
00:27:33,455 --> 00:27:34,736
that my parents, for example,
1001
00:27:34,776 --> 00:27:35,496
have been investing.
1002
00:27:36,477 --> 00:27:37,797
So you might want exposure
1003
00:27:37,856 --> 00:27:39,336
to take advantage of those opportunities.
1004
00:27:40,557 --> 00:27:40,758
You know,
1005
00:27:41,137 --> 00:27:43,458
if a client's investing for many decades,
1006
00:27:43,897 --> 00:27:44,778
this is evidence that it
1007
00:27:44,798 --> 00:27:46,598
might be helpful to have an
1008
00:27:46,618 --> 00:27:47,719
international allocation.
1009
00:27:49,239 --> 00:27:50,220
Many people believe that
1010
00:27:50,380 --> 00:27:51,319
part of the reason for the
1011
00:27:51,339 --> 00:27:51,759
international
1012
00:27:51,779 --> 00:27:52,640
underperformance has been
1013
00:27:52,660 --> 00:27:54,019
the extent of dollar strength.
1014
00:27:54,059 --> 00:27:55,101
And if the dollar to weaken,
1015
00:27:55,141 --> 00:27:56,381
an international would benefit.
1016
00:27:57,357 --> 00:27:58,979
This is a reasonable argument.
1017
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,099
And year after year,
1018
00:28:00,201 --> 00:28:02,301
I hear people say that the
1019
00:28:02,321 --> 00:28:03,623
dollar is too strong
1020
00:28:03,683 --> 00:28:06,726
relative to global interest rates.
1021
00:28:07,125 --> 00:28:09,268
And that's fine.
1022
00:28:09,387 --> 00:28:09,489
Now,
1023
00:28:09,528 --> 00:28:10,608
the problem is the dollar keeps
1024
00:28:10,628 --> 00:28:11,309
getting stronger and
1025
00:28:11,349 --> 00:28:12,830
stronger relative to
1026
00:28:12,871 --> 00:28:13,652
international companies.
1027
00:28:13,672 --> 00:28:15,554
So we can't see if this thesis is true.
1028
00:28:16,153 --> 00:28:18,516
But what this is important
1029
00:28:18,856 --> 00:28:22,319
for is saying that all the
1030
00:28:22,339 --> 00:28:23,480
data that I've talked about
1031
00:28:24,141 --> 00:28:25,041
is historical data.
1032
00:28:25,652 --> 00:28:26,653
This says nothing about
1033
00:28:26,692 --> 00:28:27,752
what's going to happen in the future,
1034
00:28:28,053 --> 00:28:28,253
right?
1035
00:28:28,634 --> 00:28:30,174
We talked about the returns
1036
00:28:30,275 --> 00:28:31,255
over the last ten years.
1037
00:28:31,694 --> 00:28:32,756
We talked about returns
1038
00:28:32,796 --> 00:28:33,636
outperforming in the late
1039
00:28:33,717 --> 00:28:34,957
eighties and the early two thousands.
1040
00:28:35,678 --> 00:28:36,778
That was all a long time ago,
1041
00:28:37,057 --> 00:28:37,878
and we need to be forward
1042
00:28:37,898 --> 00:28:38,838
looking as investors.
1043
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,040
This argument is a good
1044
00:28:41,121 --> 00:28:43,261
argument about being forward looking now.
1045
00:28:43,971 --> 00:28:44,971
There's also a very good
1046
00:28:45,010 --> 00:28:45,971
argument that international
1047
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:47,011
stocks are much,
1048
00:28:47,092 --> 00:28:49,192
much cheaper than domestic stocks.
1049
00:28:49,271 --> 00:28:50,373
The price to earnings ratio
1050
00:28:50,393 --> 00:28:51,752
is about eight turns cheaper.
1051
00:28:53,113 --> 00:28:54,032
And the dividend yield is
1052
00:28:54,053 --> 00:28:55,814
about twice that of domestic stocks.
1053
00:28:55,953 --> 00:28:56,894
So, you know,
1054
00:28:56,953 --> 00:28:58,855
on those two very common use
1055
00:28:58,894 --> 00:29:00,214
metrics for valuation,
1056
00:29:00,595 --> 00:29:01,934
international stocks are much,
1057
00:29:02,075 --> 00:29:02,795
much cheaper.
1058
00:29:02,815 --> 00:29:04,536
I would argue that there's
1059
00:29:04,556 --> 00:29:07,336
some good reasons for this.
1060
00:29:07,376 --> 00:29:08,817
Mostly that they're not growing as quick.
1061
00:29:10,297 --> 00:29:11,458
And they're not growing as
1062
00:29:11,498 --> 00:29:12,917
quick because they don't have...
1063
00:29:16,306 --> 00:29:18,571
technology industry that is
1064
00:29:19,153 --> 00:29:21,018
as robust as ours here in
1065
00:29:21,057 --> 00:29:21,720
the United States.
1066
00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:22,500
Now,
1067
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,901
how do we put all this together?
1068
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,541
And, um, you know,
1069
00:29:27,561 --> 00:29:28,622
what do I do personally?
1070
00:29:28,883 --> 00:29:30,303
And what do we do for our clients?
1071
00:29:30,482 --> 00:29:32,064
Well, personally,
1072
00:29:32,144 --> 00:29:32,624
I do have some
1073
00:29:32,644 --> 00:29:33,785
international stock positions.
1074
00:29:34,285 --> 00:29:36,965
So the way my personal portfolio is,
1075
00:29:37,006 --> 00:29:38,666
which I become more and
1076
00:29:38,686 --> 00:29:39,448
more convinced that it's
1077
00:29:39,488 --> 00:29:40,488
helpful for people to tell
1078
00:29:40,508 --> 00:29:41,989
them what am I'm doing with my money?
1079
00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:45,451
I invest very much alongside
1080
00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:46,090
with our clients,
1081
00:29:46,810 --> 00:29:47,991
but about half my
1082
00:29:48,011 --> 00:29:49,311
investment portfolio is an
1083
00:29:49,372 --> 00:29:50,712
index funds and about half
1084
00:29:50,752 --> 00:29:52,294
of it is an individual stock positions.
1085
00:29:53,371 --> 00:29:56,615
so on the index funds you
1086
00:29:56,634 --> 00:29:57,675
can say for all intents and
1087
00:29:57,696 --> 00:29:59,439
purposes that I'm in the s
1088
00:29:59,459 --> 00:30:02,663
p and on on my individual
1089
00:30:02,702 --> 00:30:04,244
stock positions I have
1090
00:30:05,006 --> 00:30:06,748
international stocks in
1091
00:30:06,788 --> 00:30:08,630
there now I why do I think
1092
00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:09,191
that's good well
1093
00:30:11,211 --> 00:30:12,874
I don't do it specifically
1094
00:30:12,913 --> 00:30:13,654
because I want
1095
00:30:13,694 --> 00:30:15,116
international diversification,
1096
00:30:15,356 --> 00:30:16,198
even though I think that's
1097
00:30:16,218 --> 00:30:16,959
an added benefit.
1098
00:30:17,219 --> 00:30:18,140
I do it because I think
1099
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,141
they're some of the best in
1100
00:30:19,181 --> 00:30:19,961
class companies.
1101
00:30:20,222 --> 00:30:21,564
And I want to buy the best
1102
00:30:21,604 --> 00:30:22,484
in class companies when it
1103
00:30:22,525 --> 00:30:24,166
comes to my individual stock portfolio,
1104
00:30:24,326 --> 00:30:25,588
regardless of where they
1105
00:30:25,608 --> 00:30:26,569
are domiciled in the world.
1106
00:30:27,577 --> 00:30:29,240
Um, not necessarily, regardless,
1107
00:30:29,259 --> 00:30:30,401
there are certain reasons
1108
00:30:30,461 --> 00:30:31,501
why I wouldn't want to hold
1109
00:30:31,602 --> 00:30:32,742
Chinese stocks, for example,
1110
00:30:32,782 --> 00:30:34,423
even if they tend to be very,
1111
00:30:34,444 --> 00:30:35,184
very good companies.
1112
00:30:35,224 --> 00:30:37,768
But generally speaking, I want to hold, uh,
1113
00:30:37,788 --> 00:30:38,969
the best companies in, in,
1114
00:30:39,169 --> 00:30:40,809
in reasonable and reasonable countries.
1115
00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:44,473
Um, and that ends up being about of my,
1116
00:30:44,673 --> 00:30:46,976
my individual stock, uh, portfolio.
1117
00:30:46,996 --> 00:30:47,036
Uh,
1118
00:30:52,104 --> 00:30:52,403
Now,
1119
00:30:52,463 --> 00:30:54,346
for our ETF mutual fund portfolios for
1120
00:30:54,385 --> 00:30:55,266
individual clients,
1121
00:30:55,826 --> 00:30:57,728
we utilize an active mutual
1122
00:30:57,768 --> 00:31:00,128
fund that's pretty concentrated.
1123
00:31:00,209 --> 00:31:01,349
So what do I mean by that?
1124
00:31:01,769 --> 00:31:01,990
Well,
1125
00:31:02,029 --> 00:31:03,010
some of the best companies in the
1126
00:31:03,050 --> 00:31:04,311
world that I mentioned that
1127
00:31:05,271 --> 00:31:06,153
I might have in my
1128
00:31:06,192 --> 00:31:07,374
individual stock portfolio
1129
00:31:07,713 --> 00:31:08,433
are going to be some of the
1130
00:31:08,493 --> 00:31:10,275
top holdings in this active mutual fund.
1131
00:31:10,575 --> 00:31:11,236
And that's one of the
1132
00:31:11,256 --> 00:31:12,696
reasons why we choose to use that.
1133
00:31:13,457 --> 00:31:14,837
We've been underweight
1134
00:31:14,938 --> 00:31:18,640
international against the MSC Acqui Index,
1135
00:31:19,161 --> 00:31:19,520
which is
1136
00:31:20,669 --> 00:31:22,630
The reason of which is I'm
1137
00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:23,651
really stripping out China.
1138
00:31:24,371 --> 00:31:25,531
I don't really like being in
1139
00:31:25,932 --> 00:31:28,054
China exposed stocks.
1140
00:31:28,634 --> 00:31:29,454
As a replacement,
1141
00:31:29,615 --> 00:31:30,255
I've chosen to be in
1142
00:31:30,275 --> 00:31:31,195
emerging market bonds.
1143
00:31:31,895 --> 00:31:33,257
And that's been really great
1144
00:31:33,277 --> 00:31:34,978
for us because in recent years,
1145
00:31:35,018 --> 00:31:37,480
it's giving us about the
1146
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:38,520
same amount of return as
1147
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,742
those emerging market stocks,
1148
00:31:41,843 --> 00:31:44,104
but with much, much, much less risk.
1149
00:31:44,244 --> 00:31:45,585
And that's benefited for us.
1150
00:31:45,644 --> 00:31:47,287
So that's how I do it personally.
1151
00:31:47,307 --> 00:31:48,146
And that's how we're doing
1152
00:31:48,186 --> 00:31:49,508
it for the vast majority of our clients.
1153
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Russ,
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did you have any questions for Brian
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on the subject of investing
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internationally?
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Yeah,
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I guess when you're looking at
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opportunities to invest internationally,
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are you looking at, you know,
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you mentioned specific
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companies that you just
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think are really good companies.
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That makes a lot of sense.
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Are you ever looking at
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specific regions as
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potential areas where
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opportunity can evolve
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based on the growth story or, for example,
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with some of the
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nearshoring developments
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that have gone over the
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last several years?
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I know a lot of analysts
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look at emerging markets as
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potentially higher opportunities.
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higher growth opportunities
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than developed international markets.
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What are your thoughts on that?
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I think the story is
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different when you think
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about funds and it's
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different versus individual stocks.
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when I buy international
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stocks the individual
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stocks of the individual
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companies I don't think of
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it any differently than I
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think of my uh allocation
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to domestic stocks I'm
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looking for consistent
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companies with growth so uh
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you know what is what does
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that mean well think about
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some companies in domestic
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markets that might have
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near monopolies uh think about
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companies that are
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predictably growing margins
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that trade at fair prices.
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That's what I'm doing when
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it comes to the individual market.
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Now,
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that has very little to do with
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short-term trends.
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It's more about what I
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expected to do in the long term.
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Now, when it comes to funds,
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we do have a strategy
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called the Sixty Forty Core Explore.
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Now, the Core Explore is
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The core part of that
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portfolio is the strategies
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that we would utilize
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because we like them for the long term.
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the explore part of that
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portfolio would try to take
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advantage of some short term opportunity.
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So in that explore part of that portfolio,
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which is a relatively small part,
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but it ends up to be about
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fourteen percent of the portfolio,
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we're trying to take
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advantage of some of the
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things that you mentioned.
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And sometimes that might end
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up having an allocation to
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an international ETF or mutual fund.
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For example, we've been in
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00:34:05,345 --> 00:34:07,769
a japan focused etf in the
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00:34:07,809 --> 00:34:09,231
last couple years in that
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00:34:09,271 --> 00:34:10,514
we've been in an india one
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00:34:10,554 --> 00:34:13,440
and more recent past so you
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00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:15,282
know those types of trends
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00:34:15,382 --> 00:34:16,545
could could end up in that
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00:34:16,686 --> 00:34:17,387
in that portfolio great
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00:34:19,721 --> 00:34:20,340
Thank you, Brian,
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for taking on a couple of
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00:34:22,123 --> 00:34:23,523
our client listener
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00:34:23,563 --> 00:34:25,264
questions and digging into them.
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00:34:25,965 --> 00:34:28,047
I enjoy your commentary always,
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00:34:28,086 --> 00:34:30,068
and I know our listeners do as well.
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And thank you for listening
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