What’s new for Social Security in 2025?

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Welcome to something more with Chris Boyd.

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Chris Boyd is a certified financial planner, practitioner,

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and senior vice president, financial advisor at Wealth

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Enhancement Group, one of the nation's largest registered

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investment advisors.

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We call it something more because we'd like

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to talk not only about those important dollar

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and cents issues, but also the quality of

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life issues that make the money matters matter.

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Here he is, your fulfillment facilitator, your partner

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in prosperity, advising clients on Cape Cod and

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across the country.

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Here's your host, Jay, Christopher Boyd.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of the

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something more with Chris Boyd podcast.

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My name is Jeff Perry, and I'm one

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of the team AMR individuals here.

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And I'm sitting in for Chris this week.

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I have with me Russ Ball in the

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studio as well, running the control panel and

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my cohost for the show.

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How are you doing Russ?

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Pretty well.

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Thanks, Jeff.

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How are you?

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Good.

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Uh, Superbowl is coming up.

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That's right.

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It's, it's not the teams that I had

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hoped for.

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I think every team I was rooting for

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in the playoffs lost every time.

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I, uh, you know, if it's not new

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England, it's not as important.

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Right.

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But it's still quite a spectacle and I'll

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be going to a Superbowl party.

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And so I'm rooting against the chiefs.

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I think I understand now how the rest

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of the country felt about the patriots.

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You know, I, I didn't understand at the

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time I'm going, why don't you love the

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Patriots?

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They're nice people.

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They do a lot in the community, but

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they, yeah.

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How about you?

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Well, I'm a long suffering, uh, New York

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Jets fan.

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So, yeah, that's a big statement to acknowledge

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on air.

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Oh, well, you know, it's, uh, it's hard

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to, uh, be a fan of a team

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like the Jets, but, um, I watched their

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games, you know, uh, when they're playing and,

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and the season was not unlike any other

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Jets season, but, uh, had the potential to

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be.

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Yeah.

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Well, there's always potential.

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And then, uh, Aaron Rogers, it's one of

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those teams that always seems to underperform no

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matter who they have and no matter what

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goes on.

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So I have a friend and a neighbor

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who lives right across the street from me.

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He's a retired New York city police officer

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and he's a Jets fan as well.

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In the fall, August, he was, he was

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confident.

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Oh yeah.

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I think all of, all of New York

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is pretty confident, not so much about the

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Giants, but, uh, about the Jets at least.

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And, um, didn't pan out, didn't, didn't pan

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out, but, uh, here we are.

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I got the Eagles who is, uh, you

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know, they, uh, no, not a lot of

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New Yorkers are fans of the Eagles and

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then, and the chiefs, so it's not, not

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a great, uh, matchup for, for, uh, you

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know, old New Yorkers, but, but, uh, yeah,

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it should be a good game.

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I mean, the teams look pretty evenly matched.

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Um, I'm rooting for the Eagles.

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Um, not because I don't like New York,

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which is a reason to, apparently the root

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for the Eagles.

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Um, I just, I guess I'm just want

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somebody else to win.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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It's time for some, some new, uh, a

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new winner out there.

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And, um, it would, you know, you always

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feel like when the team's one enough and

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you, you've been on the other side of

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this, obviously with the Patriots.

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So I didn't mind it at all.

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And my team's winning.

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Yeah, but no, it's, it's time for a

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different team to, to take it together.

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But yeah, lots of reasons to watch Superbowl.

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I mean, some people watch it for the

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halftime.

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Some people watch it for the game.

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Some people bet on these games, squares and

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all that.

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And then some people are going to watch

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it to see how many times Taylor Swift

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is on TV.

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That's right.

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Well, at least you got another Superbowl, more

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people tuning in.

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But yeah, my, whenever we do a Superbowl

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party at my place, it's a couple of

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people watching the game, a couple of people

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talking on the side, cool people play a

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game or whatever, just waiting for the good,

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uh, good ads to come up on TV.

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So it'll probably be like that this year

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as well.

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Um, go, go Eagles, but at the end

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of the day, I don't really care.

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Hopefully it's a good game.

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That's, that's what we're hoping for.

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Well, we're not here to talk about football,

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though.

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It sounds like we could probably do a

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podcast on football.

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We're here to talk of today, um, just

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to summarize the changes coming to social security

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in 2025.

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It's a new year and there's changes every

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year.

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Some of them are, you know, kind of

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boring, but we'll still talk about them.

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The big news of 2025 social security.

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And we, we did a podcast on it.

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Uh, you know, when the break news was

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breaking and the elimination, uh, the repeal of

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the windfall elimination provision, which had to do

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with, um, public employees, government employees who did

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not pay into social security during the years

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that they worked for a governmental entity that

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did not collect social security.

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They are their social security.

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If they had earned it with private sector

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work, um, was reduced depending on how many

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years and a formula, um, because they had

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a public pension and many public employees fought

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for decades to have this repealed.

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And finally, that's one of the last things

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that president Biden did in an office, I

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guess, was sign the social security fairness act,

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which repealed this.

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So I think most government employees, uh, present

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and former have heard about it.

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But if you haven't heard about it, I'll

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put a link in the show notes to

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the podcast that we did.

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And if, after you listen to it, if

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you have a question, please feel free to

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reach out to us.

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You know, it's a, it's a big deal

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for people who, uh, did have, or would

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have had their social security reduced because they

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worked for the government.

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And that's, uh, you know, especially, uh, relevant

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in states like, uh, Massachusetts, Texas, California, where,

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um, government employees are not paying into social

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security and, and they're sort of punished in

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a way, uh, as, as a result, but,

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uh, um, yeah, definitely a good time to,

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uh, to check on your financial plan, uh,

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see how that might impact the plan and,

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uh, we can definitely, definitely help with that.

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I did talk to one, uh, of our

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clients last week, I guess it was.

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And I assumed I said, Joe, that's not

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his name.

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Um, Joe, I'm sure you've heard about the

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repeal of the windfall elimination provision.

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He says, I have no idea what you're

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talking about.

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So he actually assumed, and this was a

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misconception.

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It's such a big misconception that, and, and

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Joe didn't know about it.

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I feel like I need to say it

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again is because of this decades long provision,

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many public employees drew the misconception of if

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I worked for the government and get a

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pension, I don't get social security.

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That's that that's wrong.

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It was always wrong.

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So not only did he think that he

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hadn't heard about the elimination of the elimination.

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So he was very happy to with, uh,

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and he jumped on, on the call.

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We jumped on social security, uh, for your

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own account, people should do that and check

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their benefits, future benefits or current benefits, and

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he's going to have like an $800 monthly

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benefit that he didn't know existed.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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So if you're not sure, learn more about

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it and please feel free to contact us

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if we can be of assistance.

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And on that one other point on that

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is, uh, that there is a retroactive period

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from, uh, from the beginning of last year,

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I believe.

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Uh, so that might end up coming in,

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you know, one larger chunk from, uh, what

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you, what you might've been, uh, that's right.

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Oh, so, uh, you know, nice timetable on

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the retroactivity payment, but it's coming sometime.

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Right.

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So I just, uh, prepare for that and

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maybe you can, uh, have that as a

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thought for projects that you have or, or

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put it extra into savings, whatever you might

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want to do, but, uh, just know that

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that might be coming.

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So that's right.

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Good news for a former and future, future,

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former past, everybody who worked for the government

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at some point, and it's just a matter

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of fairness.

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And, um, I'm about, I'm biased.

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I'm uniquely, not uniquely, I'm personally impacted by

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that as well.

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So it's full disclosure.

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There's a reason that I'm so happy about

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it.

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So for those 73 million people out there

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that receive retirement income from social security, did

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you realize there were 73 million Americans that

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get so they're on social security?

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No, that's a big number.

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Well, so they're, they're interested in all of

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these issues that we're going to talk about.

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Uh, I think most of them are positive.

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Uh, maybe not as positive as people wished,

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you know, uh, they get an annual cost

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of living when you hear the word Cola,

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that means cost of living adjustment.

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And during COVID when inflation was high, it

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was 8.7% for 2023.

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That was, that was a bump that was

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much higher than his history indicates last year,

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24 was 3.2, which is still a

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nice increase.

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Uh, this year it's 2.5. Yeah.

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So you should have already received that.

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It's not bad.

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It's an increase, you know, not, not everything

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gets adjusted for inflation, but this does.

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So the average monthly payment, um, people often

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ask, you know, how much should I expect

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from social security when I retire?

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When we talk to them, obviously the best

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choice is to go onto the social security

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website and create your account and get your

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own earnings benefit statement.

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Um, not just because it is accurate and

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they'll project out at different ages, what your

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social security benefit will be.

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It's also a great opportunity to make sure

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it is accurate.

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You can look at your earnings in any

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given year in your past.

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And if something doesn't look right, you know,

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go back to your tax return.

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If you have them, that's a discussion for

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later in the podcast, I guess.

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Um, but to validate that the earnings that

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you're being credited with the years of earnings,

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um, are accurate because that will affect your

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social security adjustments.

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And it's always better to deal with things,

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you know, before you're applying for benefits to

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have them corrected.

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So, but the average, um, social security benefit

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is $1,976 for the average person, which

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is up from $1,788 last year.

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So the average benefit is up.

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Okay.

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Always, always nice to see those numbers going

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up, but I think it, you raise a

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good point that, uh, checking on the social

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security website is the best thing you can

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do.

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It's, it's more accurate if we have that

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information for a financial plan.

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Uh, and, um, uh, it's pretty easy to

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set up and create your account.

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It is.

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And it's good to see, um, you know,

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a lot of, a lot of people ask

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us the question of when should I collect

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social security or some people just default while

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I can get it at 62, I'm getting

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it while I can.

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Right.

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Um, but when you really look at the

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difference between ages, say 62 and 70, which

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is kind of the range of range of

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different, um, it does, it should make you

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pause and say, Hmm, should I wait?

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Let's, let's do some math and that's this

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math that we do for our clients all

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the time.

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It's, it's a, it's not a simple calculation

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cause you have to factor in the value

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of money, the worth of money, you know,

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and it's factored on your health certainly.

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And of course the first question is, do

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you absolutely need the money?

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If you need the money, then you should

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take it, but yeah, lots of factors.

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So, uh, there also, there is also a

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maximum social security benefit.

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So, you know, even if you were, had

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a high income and you worked a long

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time, social security for the people who may

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not know is 35, your 35 highest years

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of earnings is how the formula is based.

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At full re at age 62, the highest

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benefit that you're, you can collect it's capped

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at $2,831 at age 62.

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And if you're age 70, the cap is

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5,108.

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So big, big rent, you know, that gets

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you thinking if you're the highest, if you're

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in the highest range and those are your

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numbers, should I take age 62, 2,800,

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can I wait at age 70 and collect

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5,100?

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Obviously how much longer you're going to live

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is the primary question.

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And do you need the money?

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But that's a, uh, that's a question that

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should be thought of deeply and put into

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the context of a financial plan.

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Yeah.

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And I think when, when we're looking at

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the numbers on those financial plans, when I'm

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building them out and we are as a

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team, uh, you know, more times than not,

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it's going to, it's going to look like

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70 is the, is the best time to

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take it because you're getting those, uh, increases

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every year you wait.

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And, um, as, like you said, Jeff, as

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long as you're able to wait that period

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out and have sufficient cashflow or, or, uh,

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you know, cash reserves to cover your expenses

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between that time, it's usually a pretty good

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bet to, to wait until, um, you're 70

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to get that full, uh, benefit.

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Um, obviously it's going to depend, but, uh,

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when, when you look at the numbers, unless

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you assume that you're not going to live

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all that long, right.

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Uh, uh, it can definitely make a big

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difference over that retirement period.

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Yep.

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And we can, when we do a financial

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plan, we do some long-term projections and

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we can show you how your projection changes

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based upon that decision alone or any other

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decision you make.

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Um, one mistake I see that people make

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and I see it, you know, I live

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in Florida and I don't live in a

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retirement community, but I live in Florida.

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So, you know, every community is a retirement

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community, basically.

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So a lot of retired people, I see

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people who, uh, collect their social security at

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62.

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I don't know their thought process.

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I don't interrogate them about it on the

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pickleball court or anything, but I see that

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they decided to take it at 62 and

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then they are also working like either they

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had a pause and didn't expect it.

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Maybe they thought they would have a lot

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more things to do, or maybe they got

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a good job and they said, Oh, I'll

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go back to work.

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But if you're not a full retirement age,

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there's an income test.

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So if your income is over 23,400

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in 2025, 2025, social security deducts $1 benefits

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for every $2 earned over that threshold.

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So if you're thinking about, I'm going to

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retire, um, should I take it at 62?

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One of the factors that is a negative

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against taking it early is if you think

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you might be working and making over $23

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,000, know that part of your income, that

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part over is going to be taxed.

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If you will tax, meaning losing a dollar,

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um, for every two.

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So it might be a reason to wait,

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right?

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If you think you're going to go back

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to work, or if you're not sure what

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you're going to do when you retire, uh,

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might be better to wait either way.

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Uh, just to see, you know, how, how

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early retirement plays out.

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If you maybe down the road, you might

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want to go back to work.

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And, um, then you're already, you already decided

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on that social security decision and, uh, you're

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going to maybe lose out on some of

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the benefits.

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Yep.

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And if you wait every month that you

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wait, your benefit goes up a little bit,

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you know, we use the extreme examples by

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waiting eight years, but even if you wait

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a year to factor that out, if you're

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going to go back to work and this

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goes back, you know, this is another factor.

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Am I going to work?

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Well, that has to do with your health

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as well.

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Right.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, get it modeled out and don't

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make just to just don't make the quick

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decision, like I I'm eligible.

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Therefore I should take it.

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Yeah.

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And that was another thing I was thinking

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with a lot of people, at least, um,

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you know, people in my age group and,

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and maybe even a little older, they think,

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all right, well, yeah, I'm going to retire

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at 65.

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Um, and that's kind of just a lock.

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That's, that's what it's going to be.

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And so 65 retire and start social security

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that same year.

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That's kind of just like, if you're not,

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if you don't really know about the different

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options, a lot of people don't know that,

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uh, social security, there's actually benefit to that.

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Um, similar with, with pensions.

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Um, we've talked about that in previous episodes

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and my, um, uh, I seem to be

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mother-in-law is, uh, you know, she

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was a teacher and she didn't realize that

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if she waits, she could actually get the

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full benefit of her pension.

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So these are things that, uh, not everyone's

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thinking about, but definitely things to consider and

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maybe, you know, get some guidance from financial

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planning.

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The other thing that's changing for this year

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in social security is the, um, there's a

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limit to the income limit to your income.

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That is actually taxed by social security.

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It's not an unlimited.

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Like if you, if you make last year,

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if you made over $168,600 earnings above

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that, there was no social security, uh, tax,

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if you will, being withheld, that number has

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gone up to 176,100.

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So a little bit more of your earnings,

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if you're in that earning level will be

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taxed by social security.

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And, you know, this is, um, this is

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a group, uh, this is a category that

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is ripe for political debate of, you know,

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we have a social security issue where the

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trust fund will not be able to pay

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full benefits in the projected of 2034.

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So, or 2033, maybe it's a moving number

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that people are looking to reform different parts

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of social security.

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And I think this one having a cap

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on earnings being taxed and what that is,

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is one that's ripe for discussion, right?

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So why should there be a cap?

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I guess is the question, right?

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Should you pay your social security taxes on

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the first dollar all the way up to

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whatever your income is, is a legitimate question

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that I think we're going to see in

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the political arena for debate, is this one

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of the ways that we can mitigate the

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insolvency of future social security, right?

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But for this year, you're, you're being taxed

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on the first 176,100.

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It's not a real sympathetic group for people

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to think about for people making over 176

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,100, that they shouldn't pay a little bit

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more.

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It's a tough principle wise, you know, you

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could say, well, there's a maximum benefit to

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social security.

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So there should be a maximum contribution, right?

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As a matter, but when you're talking about

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the system and the solvency of the system,

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something's got to give, and I think that's

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probably going to be one of the things

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that is the easiest or the least difficult

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to be a little bit movable, right?

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Yeah.

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And we talk about it a lot, Jeff,

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that there are bound to be discussions, very

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serious discussions on this topic in the, hopefully

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the near future.

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We'll see how it plays out, but that's

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definitely one way to, to go about getting

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some more, you know, cashflow into the social

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security system.

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Yeah.

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Love them or hate them.

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President Trump is a bold politician.

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And I would like to see him take

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on the issue of social security reform.

538
00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:55,510
You know, every year that we wait, it's

539
00:19:55,510 --> 00:19:57,210
like driving a big ship, right?

540
00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:58,690
I mean, the closer you get to shore,

541
00:19:58,790 --> 00:20:01,890
the more aggressive your turn needs to be

542
00:20:01,890 --> 00:20:04,470
if you're heading for a rock, right?

543
00:20:04,570 --> 00:20:06,270
You can't get beyond top of it and

544
00:20:06,270 --> 00:20:07,910
think you're going to turn this big ship.

545
00:20:08,450 --> 00:20:11,590
So the, the closer we get to the

546
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:16,010
insolvency projected date of 2033, the bigger or

547
00:20:16,010 --> 00:20:20,010
the more difficult decisions, I think there's decisions

548
00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:23,330
we can make now that would make that

549
00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:25,690
date longer, you know, further away at a

550
00:20:25,690 --> 00:20:27,970
minimum or solve it as a maximum.

551
00:20:28,410 --> 00:20:31,030
So he hasn't, he hasn't really talked about

552
00:20:31,030 --> 00:20:31,910
it, but I hope it's one of the

553
00:20:31,910 --> 00:20:33,790
issues that he takes up in his, this

554
00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:34,110
term.

555
00:20:34,770 --> 00:20:34,870
Yeah.

556
00:20:35,210 --> 00:20:35,410
Yeah.

557
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:36,950
Unfortunately you get the sense that no one

558
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:41,170
really wants to talk about politics on either

559
00:20:41,170 --> 00:20:41,870
side of the aisle.

560
00:20:41,870 --> 00:20:46,630
And that's, you know, probably every day Americans

561
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:47,670
are going to be the ones who have

562
00:20:47,670 --> 00:20:50,970
to, you know, suffer potentially because of it,

563
00:20:50,990 --> 00:20:52,670
but here we are.

564
00:20:52,790 --> 00:20:55,090
And hopefully it does get resolved sooner rather

565
00:20:55,090 --> 00:20:55,390
than later.

566
00:20:55,390 --> 00:20:58,190
Cause it's definitely something that people in my

567
00:20:58,190 --> 00:21:01,770
cohort are, are thinking about social security and

568
00:21:01,770 --> 00:21:04,010
even from a planning point of view, can

569
00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:06,210
we count on full social security down the

570
00:21:06,210 --> 00:21:06,350
road?

571
00:21:06,650 --> 00:21:08,070
Yeah, I think we can.

572
00:21:08,850 --> 00:21:12,190
I just think the solutions are better when

573
00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:13,790
it's further away than in the middle of

574
00:21:13,790 --> 00:21:14,310
a crisis.

575
00:21:14,890 --> 00:21:14,990
Yeah.

576
00:21:15,210 --> 00:21:15,450
Right.

577
00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:19,370
So a few, a few changes to social

578
00:21:19,370 --> 00:21:20,490
security for 2025.

579
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:23,270
Most of it's kind of bland and mundane,

580
00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:24,990
but we wanted to share it with you.

581
00:21:25,070 --> 00:21:26,530
If you have any questions about it, feel

582
00:21:26,530 --> 00:21:28,610
free to contact our office and we'll be

583
00:21:28,610 --> 00:21:29,730
happy to go through with you.

584
00:21:29,850 --> 00:21:31,890
And if you haven't done it, get your

585
00:21:31,890 --> 00:21:33,910
earnings and benefits statement off the social security

586
00:21:33,910 --> 00:21:36,390
website and make sure it's accurate and it'll

587
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:37,510
help your planning as well.

588
00:21:38,190 --> 00:21:39,930
Another thing that people are thinking about this

589
00:21:39,930 --> 00:21:43,290
time of year, Russ is income tax preparation

590
00:21:43,290 --> 00:21:43,970
time.

591
00:21:44,590 --> 00:21:44,850
Yes.

592
00:21:45,410 --> 00:21:47,610
I can talk about an exciting episode.

593
00:21:49,630 --> 00:21:51,290
Everyone loves to do their taxes.

594
00:21:52,510 --> 00:21:54,370
I don't want to go into income tax

595
00:21:54,370 --> 00:21:56,430
too much, but I saw an article in

596
00:21:56,430 --> 00:21:56,710
this.

597
00:21:56,730 --> 00:22:01,090
I get bottom line, personal finance magazine, and

598
00:22:01,090 --> 00:22:03,890
it's always got these interesting, I think it's

599
00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:08,110
very well written and little things that you

600
00:22:08,110 --> 00:22:10,530
don't comment commonly come across in the, you

601
00:22:10,530 --> 00:22:11,350
know, general media.

602
00:22:12,730 --> 00:22:15,150
So this one was about how you organize

603
00:22:15,150 --> 00:22:18,210
your tax records and other records, what you

604
00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:19,950
should keep, how long you should keep it.

605
00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:22,570
I think there's a lot of people who

606
00:22:22,570 --> 00:22:24,870
ask this question a lot, but there's not

607
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:27,630
a lot of good answers, meaning it depends

608
00:22:27,630 --> 00:22:31,110
or this long, but so I found the

609
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:32,070
article really interesting.

610
00:22:32,210 --> 00:22:33,530
I thought it might be good just to

611
00:22:33,530 --> 00:22:35,530
go through, through some of this stuff.

612
00:22:35,530 --> 00:22:35,870
Yeah.

613
00:22:36,650 --> 00:22:38,290
Do you have a system, Russ?

614
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:41,170
Do you like, so I'll share my system

615
00:22:41,170 --> 00:22:43,550
under my desk right now is a banker's

616
00:22:43,550 --> 00:22:43,970
box.

617
00:22:44,690 --> 00:22:45,170
Right.

618
00:22:45,810 --> 00:22:48,290
And all I'm looking at it for, for

619
00:22:48,290 --> 00:22:50,470
those of us watching on YouTube, I'm looking

620
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:52,370
at it and everything in it is my

621
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:54,150
2024 filing cabinet, right.

622
00:22:54,150 --> 00:22:57,430
That I've moved to archives or it sits

623
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:58,610
there until I do my taxes.

624
00:22:58,610 --> 00:23:00,130
Then I put it in the archives.

625
00:23:00,730 --> 00:23:01,970
I'm not going to tell you where that

626
00:23:01,970 --> 00:23:02,250
is.

627
00:23:03,170 --> 00:23:05,350
So that's, that's a box of paper.

628
00:23:05,850 --> 00:23:06,330
Yeah.

629
00:23:06,610 --> 00:23:08,690
With my last year stuff.

630
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:11,830
Um, you're younger than me.

631
00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:13,850
I I'm thinking you might not use the

632
00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:14,630
banker's box.

633
00:23:15,530 --> 00:23:18,170
Well, I do, I do keep my, uh,

634
00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:20,890
my paper files and, and I, I do

635
00:23:20,890 --> 00:23:22,630
have a, I do have a folder that

636
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:24,370
I put them in it's, uh, you know,

637
00:23:24,510 --> 00:23:27,010
not, it's a growing, but you know, not

638
00:23:27,010 --> 00:23:29,770
overwhelming amount of paperwork.

639
00:23:30,490 --> 00:23:32,550
Um, and then for the current year, I

640
00:23:32,550 --> 00:23:35,310
have, um, yeah, just, uh, drawing my desk

641
00:23:35,310 --> 00:23:37,330
that I put in time to do taxes.

642
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:41,430
Um, I think, uh, personally I do, I

643
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:44,610
do my taxes on, um, you know, a

644
00:23:44,610 --> 00:23:45,770
tax software.

645
00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:48,810
So, uh, I have the benefit of, if

646
00:23:48,810 --> 00:23:50,770
I need to get my tax return from

647
00:23:50,770 --> 00:23:52,450
previous year or whatever document it is, I

648
00:23:52,450 --> 00:23:54,910
can go into there and, um, I hope

649
00:23:54,910 --> 00:23:56,990
and pray that it's, uh, as secure as

650
00:23:56,990 --> 00:23:59,350
they, as they say, get it on the

651
00:23:59,350 --> 00:24:00,130
IRS website.

652
00:24:00,330 --> 00:24:01,250
If it's okay.

653
00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:01,810
Yeah.

654
00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:02,550
Right.

655
00:24:02,810 --> 00:24:03,050
Right.

656
00:24:03,050 --> 00:24:04,310
Uh, I guess that's a little bit of

657
00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:07,590
a caveat, uh, it's not, not bugging, but,

658
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:09,550
um, that's a good point.

659
00:24:09,550 --> 00:24:11,610
I think, um, I, I maybe I'm a

660
00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:12,270
little bit old school.

661
00:24:12,370 --> 00:24:14,930
I know my parents had done the same.

662
00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:17,450
They have a drawer full of files from,

663
00:24:17,610 --> 00:24:19,730
from years and years and years of, um,

664
00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:22,810
businesses and personal taxes, whatever it may be.

665
00:24:23,290 --> 00:24:25,030
Uh, so I do like to keep something

666
00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:28,030
physical, a hard copy, but, uh, you know,

667
00:24:28,030 --> 00:24:30,210
it can obviously become overwhelming over time.

668
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:30,970
Right.

669
00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:32,650
You know, what got me thinking about this,

670
00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:34,790
not just the article, but, uh, thinking about

671
00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:38,470
the larger questions is the fires in California.

672
00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:39,330
Yeah.

673
00:24:40,110 --> 00:24:42,390
So my art, if I, if I lived

674
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:44,550
in a region like that or had a

675
00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:47,870
incident here, uh, my archives would be gone.

676
00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:48,250
Right.

677
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:51,930
And, and even, you know, just to magnify

678
00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:54,050
that, I, when I'm watching the news reports

679
00:24:54,050 --> 00:24:57,750
of the fires, they were, um, interviewing at

680
00:24:57,750 --> 00:25:00,150
his home, which was destroyed Mel Gibson, the

681
00:25:00,150 --> 00:25:00,470
actor.

682
00:25:02,010 --> 00:25:04,430
And he said that he had a lot

683
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:08,230
of his like documents that you say forever.

684
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:09,550
And that's another question.

685
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:10,370
What are they?

686
00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:13,510
But, you know, things that you are going

687
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:16,070
to keep forever, like they're important, either sentimental

688
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:19,350
or legal or whatever in, in a safe

689
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:20,050
in that home.

690
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:22,150
And the safe survived the fire.

691
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:23,730
I mean, the safe was still a square

692
00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:27,250
piece of steel, but when they opened the

693
00:25:27,250 --> 00:25:30,370
heat of the fire was so much that

694
00:25:30,370 --> 00:25:33,090
everything was incinerated basically.

695
00:25:33,770 --> 00:25:33,870
Wow.

696
00:25:34,290 --> 00:25:34,490
Yeah.

697
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:37,130
So, you know, you, you can think that

698
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:41,070
you're protecting whatever Mel Gibson was protecting in

699
00:25:41,070 --> 00:25:42,970
that safe, but it's gone.

700
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:45,650
So, I mean, that kind of leads people

701
00:25:45,650 --> 00:25:48,690
to maybe use one of those services that

702
00:25:48,690 --> 00:25:51,430
are online or, you know, everything from one

703
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:53,850
drive to some of these actual vaults.

704
00:25:53,850 --> 00:25:56,290
Um, you know, and there's companies, let's say

705
00:25:56,290 --> 00:25:58,710
the cold, uh, cold mountain, or forget the

706
00:25:58,710 --> 00:26:00,370
name of the first one that, you know,

707
00:26:00,370 --> 00:26:03,850
these storage facilities, these cloud storage facilities that

708
00:26:03,850 --> 00:26:05,030
will do this for a fee.

709
00:26:05,490 --> 00:26:05,890
Right.

710
00:26:07,270 --> 00:26:08,930
Um, and if you do that, then the

711
00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:10,590
next day there's going to be something on

712
00:26:10,590 --> 00:26:11,690
the news that they were hacked.

713
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:12,990
And then you're going to worry about that.

714
00:26:12,990 --> 00:26:13,210
Right.

715
00:26:13,870 --> 00:26:14,270
Exactly.

716
00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:14,850
Exactly.

717
00:26:15,010 --> 00:26:17,950
And, um, I had a client recently ask,

718
00:26:18,010 --> 00:26:20,410
uh, you know, he has all these estate

719
00:26:20,410 --> 00:26:24,150
planning documents saved, um, on, uh, you know,

720
00:26:24,170 --> 00:26:27,550
on what's considered a secure, uh, portal online.

721
00:26:28,110 --> 00:26:30,490
And, um, the fact of the matter is,

722
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:33,690
uh, no matter where your, uh, documents are

723
00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:36,570
stored, it seems that, um, with any level

724
00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:39,410
of encryption and security, it's never a hundred

725
00:26:39,410 --> 00:26:43,050
percent secure 99.99%. But the U S

726
00:26:43,050 --> 00:26:47,010
government treasury isn't, they were hacked and utilities

727
00:26:47,010 --> 00:26:47,610
are hacked.

728
00:26:47,610 --> 00:26:51,590
And so what is who can say a

729
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:52,410
hundred percent, right?

730
00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:53,190
That's right.

731
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:55,570
But, um, there are a few things you

732
00:26:55,570 --> 00:26:57,130
could look out for when you're, you know,

733
00:26:57,130 --> 00:26:59,010
storing your, your documents online.

734
00:26:59,150 --> 00:27:02,250
Uh, I believe it's a 256 bit encryption.

735
00:27:02,250 --> 00:27:04,470
That's the highest level that's, that's currently available.

736
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:08,110
And that's, um, uh, you know, reportedly very

737
00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:11,910
secure and, um, and extremely challenging to hack.

738
00:27:12,010 --> 00:27:14,470
I think there are all these, uh, cybersecurity

739
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:16,350
tips that I could probably rattle off, but

740
00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:18,650
one that, uh, I think is really important

741
00:27:18,650 --> 00:27:20,610
if you're storing your documents online or really

742
00:27:20,610 --> 00:27:21,130
for any.

743
00:27:21,570 --> 00:27:24,490
Uh, online usage is to have multi-factor

744
00:27:24,490 --> 00:27:24,970
authentication.

745
00:27:25,050 --> 00:27:27,470
So that's where you get that text message

746
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:29,390
or whatever it is, whichever app that you

747
00:27:29,390 --> 00:27:30,350
put in a certain number.

748
00:27:30,910 --> 00:27:34,110
And, um, that's, uh, across the board.

749
00:27:34,170 --> 00:27:36,390
I've, I've always heard that that's, uh, one

750
00:27:36,390 --> 00:27:37,970
of the best things you can do to

751
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:40,190
add another level of security, especially if you're

752
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:42,330
dealing with really important documents online.

753
00:27:42,770 --> 00:27:43,730
I think that's good advice.

754
00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:47,350
The minor inconvenience of having that extra step

755
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:48,950
or having to go get your phone because

756
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:51,650
it's in the next room or whatever is

757
00:27:51,650 --> 00:27:53,270
worth it, whether it's a bank account or

758
00:27:53,270 --> 00:27:55,650
whether it's storing documents or a financial account,

759
00:27:55,810 --> 00:27:56,730
it's, it's advisable.

760
00:27:56,810 --> 00:27:57,710
It's a standard now.

761
00:27:57,770 --> 00:28:00,030
I think, I think you're kind of negligent

762
00:28:00,030 --> 00:28:01,650
if you're not doing that actually.

763
00:28:02,270 --> 00:28:03,190
Yeah, I agree.

764
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:04,950
So how long should we keep this stuff?

765
00:28:05,010 --> 00:28:06,650
So I have my archive here.

766
00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:08,810
My box has 2024 on it.

767
00:28:09,550 --> 00:28:11,590
And if you just kind of Google it,

768
00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:13,810
it's going to say, well, you should keep

769
00:28:13,810 --> 00:28:16,270
your tax records and your records for three

770
00:28:16,270 --> 00:28:18,690
years in most circumstances.

771
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:20,550
Okay.

772
00:28:20,770 --> 00:28:23,550
So that sounds pretty simple, but that doesn't

773
00:28:23,550 --> 00:28:26,110
mean that you shouldn't keep them longer.

774
00:28:26,110 --> 00:28:26,350
Right?

775
00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:30,530
So the situations that come up, um, if

776
00:28:30,530 --> 00:28:33,250
you're audited and it's an issue of fraud,

777
00:28:33,650 --> 00:28:37,030
there's no limit on how long the IRS

778
00:28:37,030 --> 00:28:38,670
can come back to you.

779
00:28:38,670 --> 00:28:41,210
As long as it wasn't statute limitations for

780
00:28:41,210 --> 00:28:42,150
whatever they're accusing you.

781
00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:45,050
But if there's fraud involved, if there's a,

782
00:28:45,050 --> 00:28:47,670
there's also no limit, if they audit you

783
00:28:47,670 --> 00:28:50,490
on a gift tax return that didn't include

784
00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:51,590
adequate disclosure.

785
00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:52,890
Right.

786
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:54,870
Or there's a six year limit.

787
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:57,330
If you, they audit you and you underreport

788
00:28:57,330 --> 00:28:59,230
your income by more than 25%.

789
00:28:59,810 --> 00:29:03,510
Or they allege that you underreported your income.

790
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:04,310
Doesn't have to be true.

791
00:29:04,390 --> 00:29:05,730
It just has to be, that's the subject

792
00:29:05,730 --> 00:29:06,750
of the audit.

793
00:29:07,330 --> 00:29:09,170
So that makes me think, okay, I guess

794
00:29:09,170 --> 00:29:11,750
I should save it for longer than three

795
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:15,590
years, and then you think about some things

796
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:17,010
that happen on your tax return.

797
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:20,710
Um, so maybe you have a house that

798
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:23,670
you bought and maybe you sell that house

799
00:29:23,670 --> 00:29:27,150
someday and you know, so you have an

800
00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:31,770
exclusion if you're single $250,000 married $500

801
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:34,070
,000 exclusion from capital gains.

802
00:29:34,270 --> 00:29:35,630
So that might save you.

803
00:29:35,850 --> 00:29:38,490
But if the capital gain is larger than

804
00:29:38,490 --> 00:29:40,090
that, you're going to have to show your

805
00:29:40,090 --> 00:29:40,870
cost basis.

806
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:41,990
So you're going to have to have some

807
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:44,670
documentation of what you paid for the house,

808
00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:46,730
all the capital improvements you've made along the

809
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:48,430
way, and then the sales cost, right?

810
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:51,610
So a lot of people don't have that.

811
00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:53,710
They might have bought a house 20 years

812
00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:55,530
ago and they have no memory of what

813
00:29:55,530 --> 00:29:55,890
they paid.

814
00:29:55,950 --> 00:29:57,010
Certainly no proof.

815
00:29:57,490 --> 00:30:00,990
Or what happens super often is a home

816
00:30:00,990 --> 00:30:03,370
changes from a primary residence to a rental.

817
00:30:03,730 --> 00:30:04,130
Yeah.

818
00:30:04,530 --> 00:30:06,290
And then, so you, you know, after three

819
00:30:06,290 --> 00:30:08,330
years, you're not going to get that exclusion.

820
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:10,650
Then you really need those records for your

821
00:30:10,650 --> 00:30:11,350
capital gains.

822
00:30:11,550 --> 00:30:15,310
So I'd say any house home purchases or

823
00:30:15,310 --> 00:30:18,130
sales, you need to keep those documents for

824
00:30:18,130 --> 00:30:19,010
a long time.

825
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:21,890
So the, the return that made the return

826
00:30:21,890 --> 00:30:24,410
on the year that you sold that property.

827
00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:26,370
There won't be, there won't be something on

828
00:30:26,370 --> 00:30:27,970
your taxes the year that you bought it,

829
00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:30,830
but you'll, you need records like a closing

830
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:32,770
statement when you bought it to establish your

831
00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:33,490
cost basis.

832
00:30:33,710 --> 00:30:33,950
Right.

833
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:34,950
How much did I pay for it?

834
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:38,130
When, and then you add back, you add

835
00:30:38,130 --> 00:30:40,970
in capital improvements, how you increase the value

836
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:42,990
of the house, not maintenance, but capital improvements.

837
00:30:43,070 --> 00:30:44,350
I put an addition on, right.

838
00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:48,410
I finished the basement, whatever improved the capital.

839
00:30:48,850 --> 00:30:50,110
Investment in the house.

840
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:53,090
So you have to keep those records to

841
00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:55,910
prove if you audited what your cost basis

842
00:30:55,910 --> 00:30:58,130
was and what the cost of capital improvements

843
00:30:58,130 --> 00:31:00,650
were for when you do the tax return

844
00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:03,290
in my example, 20 years later.

845
00:31:03,630 --> 00:31:04,190
Yeah.

846
00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:05,890
So that's kind of a bit unique that

847
00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:07,110
people don't think about.

848
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:11,870
We mentioned in earlier in the episode about

849
00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:13,850
checking your social security statement.

850
00:31:14,450 --> 00:31:17,290
So let's say you go on, you're taking

851
00:31:17,290 --> 00:31:17,770
our advice.

852
00:31:17,770 --> 00:31:19,250
After you listen to us, you go on

853
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:21,930
to social security, you create your account, you

854
00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:24,330
look at your earnings and you say, gee,

855
00:31:24,410 --> 00:31:26,750
in 1995, it says I had no earnings.

856
00:31:26,850 --> 00:31:28,770
I know I didn't miss a whole year

857
00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:29,310
of work.

858
00:31:31,790 --> 00:31:33,430
This is more beefy for me than you,

859
00:31:33,550 --> 00:31:34,810
I think, for the years we're talking about,

860
00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:38,150
but I was working at this company.

861
00:31:38,150 --> 00:31:39,290
I was working with this government.

862
00:31:39,790 --> 00:31:42,170
I, I need to prove to social security.

863
00:31:42,250 --> 00:31:45,410
I'm going to file a claim, if you

864
00:31:45,410 --> 00:31:45,570
will.

865
00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:47,170
I'm going to file a, something's wrong with

866
00:31:47,170 --> 00:31:48,450
my report report.

867
00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:51,910
And they're going to say, show me, right.

868
00:31:52,030 --> 00:31:53,210
Cause they don't have it.

869
00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:55,710
So if you're going with this three year

870
00:31:55,710 --> 00:31:57,830
thing in my archive box system that I

871
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:59,550
have under my desk, I'm going to keep

872
00:31:59,550 --> 00:32:02,250
it for three years and I need to

873
00:32:02,250 --> 00:32:05,970
prove 1995, that box is gone.

874
00:32:06,390 --> 00:32:06,550
Yeah.

875
00:32:06,670 --> 00:32:07,710
A little bit of trouble there.

876
00:32:07,930 --> 00:32:08,090
Yeah.

877
00:32:08,390 --> 00:32:10,250
So I'm not having, I don't have a

878
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:10,770
solution here.

879
00:32:10,790 --> 00:32:12,290
I'm just bringing up things that happen.

880
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:14,910
Um, the other thing that we were talking

881
00:32:14,910 --> 00:32:17,030
about off air that just happened to me

882
00:32:17,030 --> 00:32:20,130
is, um, it's kind of sounds kind of

883
00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:21,790
silly, but it's funny, so I'll share it.

884
00:32:22,010 --> 00:32:24,850
I was buying something that was expensive on

885
00:32:24,850 --> 00:32:27,970
home Depot and I keep, I know that

886
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:29,590
they give a veteran's discount.

887
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:33,390
Uh, cause I see it on the form

888
00:32:33,390 --> 00:32:35,290
sometimes on the register or whatever.

889
00:32:36,170 --> 00:32:38,350
And I just never filled out the home

890
00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:39,330
Depot paperwork.

891
00:32:39,770 --> 00:32:41,110
And so I said, well, this is, this

892
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:41,630
is good.

893
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:43,050
This, you know, this one, I should do

894
00:32:43,050 --> 00:32:43,330
it.

895
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:46,330
And they, I needed to know my date

896
00:32:46,330 --> 00:32:48,350
of my end of military service.

897
00:32:48,490 --> 00:32:50,350
I knew the year, but I didn't know

898
00:32:50,350 --> 00:32:50,770
the date.

899
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:52,210
So when I filled it out, it wouldn't

900
00:32:52,210 --> 00:32:52,810
let me do it.

901
00:32:52,830 --> 00:32:54,110
So I had to go back in.

902
00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:55,910
I had to go to my archives where

903
00:32:55,910 --> 00:32:58,850
they're held and dig into my box that

904
00:32:58,850 --> 00:33:00,670
says military records and pull it out.

905
00:33:01,090 --> 00:33:02,930
Eventually I did it, but if I didn't

906
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:07,170
save those records, I mean, it's been 24

907
00:33:07,170 --> 00:33:09,110
years since I was in the military.

908
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:09,870
Yeah.

909
00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:10,950
Why do I need that?

910
00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:13,270
Well, I didn't need it, but it was

911
00:33:13,270 --> 00:33:14,670
convenient that I had it.

912
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:15,470
Turned out to be helpful.

913
00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:16,430
Yeah, that's right.

914
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:19,330
And sometimes you need your military records, your

915
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:22,450
DD 214, which is your discharge papers that

916
00:33:22,450 --> 00:33:25,230
outline your service, your loved ones may need

917
00:33:25,230 --> 00:33:27,130
that when you pass away to get veterans

918
00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:31,770
benefits upon your death or to it's the

919
00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:33,610
whole host of things that happen, you know,

920
00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:35,410
in your life that you should keep your

921
00:33:35,410 --> 00:33:36,150
military records.

922
00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:37,610
If you have them, you should keep your,

923
00:33:38,110 --> 00:33:39,750
you know, some people say you should keep

924
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:42,930
your college transcripts longer than you think, right?

925
00:33:43,630 --> 00:33:44,090
Yeah.

926
00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:46,870
You don't even know when, when you might

927
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:47,250
need them.

928
00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:51,250
And as you mentioned, my brother was recently

929
00:33:51,250 --> 00:33:54,570
looking at, you know, interest rates on a,

930
00:33:54,610 --> 00:33:58,130
on a loan and he found that a

931
00:33:58,130 --> 00:34:02,170
specific credit union was, was a viable option

932
00:34:02,170 --> 00:34:04,850
and they had a feature where if your

933
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:07,230
family member, if your parent, or even I

934
00:34:07,230 --> 00:34:09,290
believe it was even grandparent served in the

935
00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:10,590
military, you would have access.

936
00:34:11,989 --> 00:34:15,310
And, um, we, um, you know, we weren't

937
00:34:15,310 --> 00:34:17,350
sure where to find any of the military

938
00:34:17,350 --> 00:34:20,830
records that we needed to prove that, uh,

939
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:22,989
long, long story short, it turned out that,

940
00:34:23,050 --> 00:34:25,090
uh, my, my, my father who served his,

941
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:28,830
his records were, um, got caught on fire

942
00:34:28,830 --> 00:34:30,750
and, and a big warehouse in the big

943
00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:31,650
DOD fire.

944
00:34:31,830 --> 00:34:31,969
Yeah.

945
00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:32,449
Yes.

946
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:34,530
And, um, so it became a little bit

947
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:36,389
of a, of a, a tracking thing, try

948
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:38,409
to find, um, how to get that information.

949
00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:41,010
But, uh, if we had a box with

950
00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:42,630
that information that we might not have thought

951
00:34:42,630 --> 00:34:45,090
we needed, it could have proved helpful and

952
00:34:45,090 --> 00:34:46,989
expedited the whole process.

953
00:34:47,010 --> 00:34:49,050
But I'm sure there's a fine line when

954
00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:51,010
it's like, uh, certain things you, you do

955
00:34:51,010 --> 00:34:52,530
want to keep other things you don't, otherwise

956
00:34:52,530 --> 00:34:54,050
you're going to have boxes and boxes and

957
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:55,530
boxes of, of, uh, paperwork.

958
00:34:55,889 --> 00:34:57,730
But, uh, I think you brought up some

959
00:34:57,730 --> 00:34:59,490
of the ones that are, you know, more

960
00:34:59,490 --> 00:35:00,210
vital to keep them.

961
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:03,870
Well, we hope this inspires you to get

962
00:35:03,870 --> 00:35:06,070
organized and prepare for your taxes and to

963
00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:08,090
come up with some system that doesn't take

964
00:35:08,090 --> 00:35:11,230
over your, wherever your archive system is and

965
00:35:11,230 --> 00:35:11,930
is secure.

966
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:15,090
Um, because sometimes you need to go back

967
00:35:15,090 --> 00:35:17,570
to get these things, to get benefits that

968
00:35:17,570 --> 00:35:19,690
you're entitled to a correct records that were

969
00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:20,750
wrong, Russ.

970
00:35:20,830 --> 00:35:21,770
Thanks for joining us.

971
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:23,310
And, uh, thank you for listening.

972
00:35:23,410 --> 00:35:25,690
We really do appreciate it and tune in

973
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:29,010
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974
00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:29,350
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975
00:35:30,590 --> 00:35:32,350
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00:35:32,350 --> 00:35:33,090
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977
00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:35,530
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